Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Yes. General George Thomas did--for the United States.

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    If you intend to lecture people about history, you might educate yourself about what history is ... E.H. Carr, What is History?

    https://www.amazon.com/What-History...at+is+history+e.h.+carr&qid=1631555592&sr=8-1
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    The South had a chance Lincoln would lose the 1864 election until Sherman took Atlanta.
     
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    The CSA should have negotiated a quick surrender after the fall of Vicksburg and saved Atlanta, Columbia, Richmond and countless lives. Of course, if CSA leaders had had a lick of sense they would have accepted the inconvenient truth when Sam Huston shared it with them.

    “Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession, but let me tell you what is coming….Your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of the bayonet….You may after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence…but I doubt it…." Sam Huston before he was deposed from office on March 15, 1861. http://almostchosenpeople.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/sam-houston-and-secession/
     
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    This is an aside... Americans are pigheaded folks. The Japanese should have figured out attacking the United States in 1941 was going to stir up the wrong people. What happened in the Civil War, 75 years early, should have given them pause.
     
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    I said LEE and of course there we see where the traitor Thomas loyalities were

    "His Northern-born wife probably helped influence his decision."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Henry_Thomas

    He was a traitor to his state which was the higher loyalty in 1860 for men of honor.

    If you intend to get snarky better make sure you got your complete history.
     
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    Hang on... You came up with the idea that a government of a state and the federal governments are like equal partners,... where equal partners can end their ways with each other. It's simply not the case. Not only are they not equal parties, but they are bound by not just your random contract that you can end, but bound by the constitution. I sourced that a state doesn't have the right to secede. And all you can say about that, is that they only ruled that after the civil war... as if it matters. It does not.
     
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    We were still on the Corwin amendment, of which the president approved it. But his opinion is irrelevant. The thing is, it never got ratified by the states due to the civil war.
     
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    Again, you claimed the civil war was not about slavery.
    So you say that, while you're dragging in one topic after the other about slavery.
    That is now the essence of this conversation.

    As shown by my before, the entire theme of denying the civil war was mostly about slavery, is part of the white nationalistic theme called the lost cause.
    You might want to look it up.
     
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    You say that, while you ONLY drag in slavery related topics. lol
     
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    The only comment I will make is this....down here.....local government authorities have total jurisdiction to determine e.g. what trees can get chopped down...and whatever else is in suburbia, including drinking fountains, public toilets and statues of whatever or whomever.
     
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    Of course it matters. If they rule that abortion is unconstitutional now, that doesn’t change it was considered constitutional for years. If the SCOTUS comes out tomorrow and says it’s constitutional for a state to secede then the rules have been changed. You can’t change the rules and then say those who were operating under previous rules were in the wrong. That’s absurd.

    Furthermore your premise is preposterous. If what you is true, then the federal government can violate the constitution at will and there’s nothing the states can do about it.
     
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    Why would the southern states not ratify if the war was about slavery?
     
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    No I said that the war was over the fact the north and federal government willfully and intentionally violated both the constitution and the SCOTUS. To provide EVIDENCE of this, they reference slavery. But slavery was not the issue. The issue was that the north and their proxy the fed gov believed they could just ignore the constitution as they saw fit.
     
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    That’s because if they wanted to save slavery, they would have simply signed the Corwin amendment. No war necessary. This is not debatable. This a fact of history. Whether you like it or not.
     
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    Hardly any state ratified the Corwin amendment. Says it all. So your dragging in a slavery topic, and fail to prove your point... while insisting slavery did not play a big roll and fail to prove that too at the same time. Bravo.
     
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    And that supposedly ignoring the constitution was TOTALLY focused on the subject of slavery and slavery alone. All your examples about this are purely slavery related as well.
     
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    If the southern states had signed all that was needed was the border states and few more. All of whom had just passed it through both houses of congress.
     
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    That’s because that’s the portion of the constitution the north was violating. But if you allow that precedent to stand then what stops them from doing the same thing to firearms? You’ve already set the precedent that the government can simply declare a portion of the constitution to be immoral and refuse to uphold it.
     
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    Ah.. If this if that.
    It didn't happen, now did it?
     
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    Hence we all say: it was about slavery.
     
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    And you would be wrong. Because if it was just about slavery they would have signed the Corwin amendment.
     
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    Yes, Kansas should have been enough to convince the Southern political class that armed force was not likely to work for them.

     
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    So, Thomas had lower loyalty because he had less honor. Should someone today be more loyal to their state? If not, when did the rules change?
    Bobby Lee betrayed his country. We generously gave him a do-over.
     
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    Shelby Foote said the North fought the Civil War with one hand tied behind their backs and that if the South had started to win the other arm would have come out.
     
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