Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly the case. That is the whole reason the nuclear "football", that follows the President around wherever he (or she) goes exists. That's why the President has valid nuclear codes within arms reach 24x7x365. He does NOT need Congressional approval, or approval from the CJCOS or anyone else.

    I guess that's what you guys just simply do not get. Whether or not it's a good idea may be the subject of another conversation, but that is how things are NOW. No matter what anyone thinks about it.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Because it was his duty as the CJCS.

    He did NOT report or clear the second call with the acting SecDef he did not inform him afterwards he kept it secret. Milley does not conduct foreign policy especially his own.

    And if he even hinted that he would give our worst enemy a heads up about an attack not only does he have to resign he has to be courts martialed for treason.
     
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    I'm sure he'll be called to testify under oath before a classified session of a congressional investigation, as will Trump.
     
  4. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why don't you ask him?
     
  5. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the assumption is qualified by "IF" it is correct.
     
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    Does the now fact that both calls with China were not "secret communications" and there are "read outs" of both calls change your mind on anything? Or that these communications were "opened" by SecDef Esper??

    I assume "read outs" are the same thing as what came out of the Zelensky call, where enough people record their recollections in order to make a non-transcript transcript....
     
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    So...the FBI has said nothing and all of this is second hand from a defendant's lawyer?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Guess he wasn't consulted or told of the phone call. If the Chinese were telling Milley they were so concerned his duty was to report it up the chain onto the Presidents desk. He did not.

    Let me ask you if there is even a hint Milley told the Chinese he would give them a warning of an attack don't you think he should be court-martialed?
     
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    Indict Trump as a co-conspirator in seditious conspiracy and give Milley a medal.
     
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    Well something serious happened and was said for a General to be that concerned.

    No one is talking about Trump's rights. The issue is HIS mental instability that is a product of his uncontrolled rage.sadism and narcissism. (or at least consider it). He has a history of that kind of behavior.

    It fits his psychological profile that he would do something really astonishing to retain power.
     
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    You are obviously being hyberbolic, but I suspect nothing would have made the Founding Fathers more happy on 1/7...

    What policies or EO's did President Pelosi get done in those 2 weeks? Would have been useful to actually get a head start on the Biden agenda that way...

    Personally, I think 2.5 months for a transition is completely ridiculous... I'd go 1 month, INCLUDING the Senate in session doing nothing but pre-approving cabinet picks (or impeaching the prior POTUS)
     
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  12. Bluesguy

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    That he had is staff in the room? So what? There is a transcript, release it. When did he tell the President about the call and the Chinese concerns. When did he tell the SecDef about the second call and why didn't he tell him he was making the call in the first place?
     
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    Presumably, it's to respond to a first strike by another country...not to initiate a first strike.
     
  14. DentalFloss

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    Be that as it may, he DOES. NOT. POSSESS. THAT. AUTHORITY. What is so hard to understand about that?
     
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    How conveniently cushy.Security for the Capitol Bldg. is the direct
    responsibility of the Speaker of the House.To prove how clueless yer
    reply explain this.President Trump warned days ahead that on the day in
    question { January 6th } where he would be addressing a crowd,that
    the National Guard { 10,ooo strong } be on hand.Pelosi and others
    in her charge blew it off.We can see how lax security was that day.
    In fact,the doors to the Capitol bldg. were opened for the first bunch of
    those wanting to Protest.We have video of that.That bunch merely wanted to
    take selfies and act concerned.They acted clownish.Again not one firearm
    was collected on January 6th.So much for a supposed Insurrection.
    Mitch McConnell is also partly to blame.He could have easily made sure
    Security was beefed-up.He did nothing.Trump was also still addressing the
    crowd when the first few bunch of Protestors were wanting-in the Capitol Bldg.
    So much for Trump leading Protestors around like Hound dogs in pursuit.
    Virtually everything to a tee that Democrats insist is a Major league LIE.
    That is their New way of Governing.Even before Trump was Inaugurated.
    It is now impossible for History to Rewrite and Reinvent events to accomodate
    Leftist Lies and Unamericanism.Sadfully americans are just now waking up
    to that fact.
     
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    So sue him.
     
  17. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    Legally, there is no distinction. The President of the United States has been empowered by the Congress to nuke anyone, at any time, for any reason.
     
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    I don’t know what he did or didn’t tell the president.
    Did the Chinese do something to warrant being nuked?
     
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    Why would he tell the arsonist about the burning fire? Also, we didn't have a SecDef for the 2nd call... Alas... The Acting New Guy was obviously not up to doing his SecDef job, being a political hack...

    I suspect a transcript will come out after it's been scrubbed for actual National Security implications..
     
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  20. Arkanis

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    I don't give a damn.

    Especially because the Founding Fathers didn't foresee that a psychopath would attempt a coup by trying to stop the certification of the vote.

    If the Constitution doesn't provide security against another Donald Trump, the Constitution must be amended.
     
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    What some bunch of political antagonists think/thought about Trump's mental makeup is completely IRRELEVANT. How many of Trump's detractors have as little as a Bachelor's Degree in psychology?

    No... this is all evasive bullshit!

    Give Gen. Milley a fair court martial -- completely in accordance with the letter of the UCMJ. And if he's proven innocent -- FINE! If he's found guilty of committing an offence, then he must be found guilty and punished accordingly.

    What exactly is so damned hard to understand about THAT?![/QUOTE]
     
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    Get that on a T-shirt and you'll make a fortune...
     
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    I didn't say the FBI had nothing at all (they may, we just don't know). I was simply correcting your misunderstanding: no one has plead guilty to the charge, as you wrongly asserted.
     
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    Why do you think the Speaker is responsible for Capitol security? If Trump had prior knowledge of the Capitol break-in, he becomes a co-conspirator.
     
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    There is no a shred of evidence Trump EVER considered any type of nuclear launch or act of war of ANYTHING. It was made up nonsense by the Democrats at the time. THEY were the ones running around with their hair of fire with these claims about he would never leave the White House and he would launch a nuclear attack and declare marital law and all that nonsense. Of course he didn't. Nothing like it and as much as I don't like to listen to him speak I have enough to know he is not crazy insane or anything. Trump was no different then than he was when he became President or before.

    If the General was concerned he had proper channels to go through and one of those was certainly NOT the Chinese General. He had no business calling him as if he had some authority on a nuclear launch or any command authority AT ALL, the CJCS does not have ANY command authority nor is part of a nuclear strike chain of command. And if the Chinese expressed such unfounded concerns his duty was to report it to the PRESIDENT so the President and the SecState and SecDef could act upon it to insure the Chinese not to worry.

    And if he said one thing to that Chinese General about a heads up about ANY attack he should be arrested and charged with treason and face a military tribunal.
     
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