Trump Calls Allies to Demand Gen. Mark Milley Be ‘Arrested’ for ‘Treason’

Milley's feelings were based on the fact that Trump had instigated an invasion of the Capitol by his followers who were at the moment under discussion raging about that building and seeking to kill the Vice President along with any other of our elected Congresspersons they might come across. All this while Trump was watching this happen on television with some delight. Milley had intelligence that the Chinese were watching this with some alarm and might launch their own missiles at us in the essence of the nuclear nightmare, the pre-emptive strike. He was telling the Chinese that he would not let this happen, not without warning them and giving them some opportunity to do something to head off the literal end of the ****** world.

Again, it is becoming more and more evident here to me that more than a few ot the more rabid right wingers WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, and we therefore HAVE to quarantine such people from any real possibility that they might get their way

 

Why so startled? A right wing coup was going on even as the matter being discussed was going on.

But there was no left wing coup, only a general doing his duty. Defending our Constitution against domestic enemies and the world against madmen.

 

LOL, not according to the FBI but then there are many hysterical imaginings from the left.

 

there was no coup, there was precaution in the face of an increasingly unhinged President. I never though I would see the day that a conservative would so quickly throw a man who served our country with honor under the bus for a narcissistic pop star.

 

laws and rules are silly pieces of paper if the country they are designed to govern has been reduced to nuclear wasteland.

 

Seriously you have 3 or 4 threads on the front page everyday about Trump, I'm not sure if you even start threads without Trump being the title. What's going on here, it's a little spooky. Anyway carry on your serious obsession with someone that literally has ZERO power....

 

You are wrong.

Trump has a lot of power.

He has the power to get an incredible number of Democrats elected.

 

Having the people who push the buttons swear a personal oath to you to not obey the orders of the president without your personal approval, is not serving your country with honor.
It is seditious conspiracy.
Refuse an illegal order at point given? Do so, please. Honorable.
Subverting our nation's retaliatory strike capability and then telling people about it? Dishonor. Dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow, dishonor on your whole family.

 

Again with the ifs.

When we become a nation of men and their caprices the American experiment in freedom is OVER, and so is the progress and accomplishment of countless human beings over thousands of years who struggled and sacrificed to make that experiment possible.

There was no threat or imminence of nuclear war here, thus no grounds for Milley' alleged actions, however, those actions most certainly would have constituted a violation of the principle of civilian military control over the military and our government, which is something the general swore to prevent and the American people cannot allow.

 

Generals are politicians. We’re you ever in the military?

 

It's a sickness.

 

He certainly has a lot of power over you, the rest of America not so much.

 

subverting a nuclear first strike capability is the epitome of honor. There is not a thing on this planet that would justify a nuclear first strike. I would hope every service member at every rank would disobey such orders without a second thought.

 

Trump living rent-free in millions of deranged Leftists' heads.

It's greatest real estate grab of his entire career...

 

yup, 20 years. It’s nice to see a general do the right thing instead of being a yes man politician like most of them.

 

Well Said and Exactly.

 

Precaution does not preclude usurping the chain of command. Nor does precaution based on delusional fantasy. I would ask Milley how many times as President did Trump confer about the use of nuclear warheads, under oath mind you not a television news station.

The fantasy surrounding Donald. J. Trump has allowed figures to live larger than life, and I think for the sanctity of national security it's time to bring them back to planet earth.

 

Trump spent 4 years wiping his ass with the Constitution then after he lost he tried to get anybody he could to violate it in a disgusting attempt to remain in power even though he lost. He tried to turn this country into a third world hell hole capping it off with a Central American style coup attempt.

 

China was holding military exercises 200 miles off the coast of Hawaii and Milley imagined Trump would react to it without even talking to him about it so took steps to thwart the commander in chief in secret based on his own paranoia. You should know better.

 

This is the same guy who wants to "understand White rage". I want to understand why he should remain in his post, moving forward.

 

There was indeed threat of nuclear war here. Probably the only credible threat of nuclear war there can be. The threat that your enemy has gone so insane that he is about to launch his weapons, thus necessitating that you launch yours first, the Pre-emptive strike.

Quite a few of our own people were thinking that that Trump might be that insane that day, how much more might the Chinese get that idea..

Milley was trying to head that off and that should be obvious to anyone, except possibly those who are disappointed that he spoiled their wet dream wherein all life dies and they go to Heaven with Jesus.

 

Disabling the capability? No.
Disobeying an illegal order? Yes.

The former is seditious conspiracy, the latter is honorable behavior that in 99.99% of cases is going to be the right thing to do.
There is a nuanced difference. Crossing that line of difference is the line between criminal behavior abrogating command authority not designated to the military AT ALL to oneself as a high ranking general, and right action. Milley crossed the line.

 

Wasn't it Trump who bemoaned about how we had all these nuclear weapons and were not able to use them?

The "Fantasy" surrounding Trump has come to include some of the most bizarre and insane suppositions I can remember seeing at any point in the whole of American History. These suppositions have included an actual invasion of the Capitol and that invasion, to all indications we have now, was gleefully observed and implicitly participated in by Trump himself. I candidly admit that I did not like the man and never did but even I had not thought he would do that. Indeed I thus have to agree with you partially, for our National Security, and indeed for the security of life as we know it to exist itself it is time we return to sanity and ensure that neither Trump nor his insane minions ever again get within some hundreds of Roman leagues of the means to kill us all

 

How? How did Milley cross anything? He didn't give them any secret info nor did he actually countermand any orders he was given. He sought to assure our opponents that insane orders to kill them out of hand would not be obeyed. That is something that has gone without saying up until now. But then the Republican Party went crazy themselves and the truly bizarre provisions of an otherwise excellent governing document meant that they were able to elect a raving madman to our highest office.

(We really ought to do something about that)

 

He had the people who carry out such orders make a personal oath to him to only obey his orders, breaking the chain of command and civilian control of the military in one fell swoop.
Then he told the chinese that he was in control.

Full stop.

I'm not a Republican ffs, and I actively despise Trump as much or more than I actively despise Biden. They are both unfit for office. This is not about partisanship, its about a member of the joint chiefs subverting civilian control of the military and then bragging about it.