Georgia Republican Official Compares Trump To Satan, Says He’s Out to Steal The Party’s Soul

I'll jump in uninvited. IMO Trump comes very close to the conservatism (in action, though not necessarily in philosophy) of Reagan, and no other president comes anywhere near within striking distance until you go all the way back to the last conservative president before Reagan, Coolidge.

 

Most people, regardless of Party, are against illegal immigration. Even if you disagree with me on that, you must admit that this stance is nothing special, that sets one apart from all the rest. What distinguished Trump's illegal immigration policy, was its cruelty, of which, most Americans did not approve.

The same idea of being unremarkable, can be said about being anti-tax, and, at least in the Republican Party (& among many Independents), being anti-regulation. So all the enthusiasm over Trump, I must take to be over the huge size of his tax cut for the wealthy-- which I would call fiscally irresponsible-- and his wrecklessness in jettisoning regulations, as for pollution, intended for peoples' safety, and to preserve our environment. BTW-- those who believe in conserving our natural resources, are called conservationists; as the word suggests, it is a concept that should not be alien to a, "conservative."

 

Depends how you are using the compond word "human life" .. similar with Human Being.

If by "Human Life" you mean the life of a Human .. no.. because not a single cell from the Human that might be created some day exists at the zygote stage. No human .. no life of a human.

If by Human life you mean a life form that is human .. Yes .. The zygote is both alive and human - just like every other living human cell. .. none of which are humans

 

Is that what American law states?

Sidenote: How does American law deal with the individual transitioning their sex? Are they of the sex they're transitioning to or are they of the sex after the transition has been completed?

 

15 pages and we haven't seen that one guy who thinks hes a moderator showing up to make a 100 lined post about 'blah blah off topic blah blah wrong forum blah blah etc etc'.

 

Don't believe the religious right wing nuts managed to pass legislation declaring the zygote a human a "homo sapiens" but they tried.

Regardless .. this has no relevence to the topic.

 

What a stupid comment.

What a stupid statement. satan is a fictional character, up there with the tooth fairy and honest politicians!

 

A very large portion of high level Democrat politicos are most certainly in favor of illegal immigration, their sometimes boisterous and always lying words to the contrary not withstanding. What cruelty other than keeping their ass out did Trump display with any illegal immigrant that wasn't done by Obama and now Biden?

Most regulations have very little to do with people's safety and well being but on centralized government power and control. I agree conservationism is applicable to the political term of conservatism in that political conservative tend strongly to try to conserve our political heritage and institutions, although some things like the golden-cheeked warbler, the pseudo scorpion, and that funny named western owl maybe not so much. It is not political conservatives that willingly destroy peoples lives and business in order to preserve a snail darter.

 

All of them.

 

In case it was not done on purpose, I'll point out that you totally missed my point, which was that many other Republicans are anti-illegal immigration, anti-tax, and anti-regulation, so this does not explain, in & of itself, what makes you think so especially highly of Trump--

-- therefore, I posited that it must be the DEGREE to which he is those things (and so mentioned the huge windfall, he returned to the richest Americans, and to corporations; and the recklessness with which the government under him was tossing off regulations, for things like dumping toxic substances into waterways-- something that is bad for the health of humans and the whole environment, not just snail darters).

Does your post confirm my assumption? If not, perhaps it would be more helpful to our conversation, if you outlined the actual attributes of the Conservativism, you speak of (which was what I asked of Hoosier, in the post that you said you would "jump in uninvited.") No invitation necessary, for you, RodB, but I thought that meant you were planning to address my question.
Hoosier had claimed, "Trump has been the most conservative acting President in our lifetime." So I'd asked him to break that assessment down, for me.

Your saying that Trump was the truest Conservative since so-and-so, does not explain what you think of as "conservative values." Because, my larger point is, there are other Conservatives, who have long been generally acknowledged as such, who must disagree with your definition. This is why it would be interesting, as well as helpfully clarifying, for you or @Hoosier to actually describe, specifically, what YOU mean, by "Conservativism," which you feel Trump has nailed, so much better than most of his presidential peers.

 

Interesting. Feel free to take that up with the Lt. Gov. of Georgia, since he said it.

 

Is that blah blah in bold, italic or in various colors???

 

Well as long as you think so, it's settled then isn't it?

 

The topic is whether or not the zygote is a human - Some court making a ruling - or not making a ruling in this case - has no bearing on the question.

 

A court making a ruling on what is life and when is life has everything to do with the questions surrounding abortion, IMO. What do the courts think about both questions?...Courts haven't weighed in on either of the questions.

 

A court making a ruling does not prove abortion claims true or false .. claiming so is called "Appeal to Authority Fallacy" .. Same with citing some expert saying "Look what so and so says" - there are experts on both sides - courts on both sides .

Perhaps it is that you do not understand what an argument is .. Let me assist.

An argument consists of 2 things 1) Statement of claim 2) proof or rational showing this claim is true.

"Some Court Says so" does not satifsy 2.

 

A court saying something satisfies the law...Figure it out, just once.

 

What part of - "satisfying the law" does not prove a zygote is a human - are you having trouble figureing out ?

 

That you don't know any of them is a testament to media propaganda.

 

I never said Trump was the only one. Nor have I expressed my fondness for Trump (though I am high on him). My simple assertion was that true conservatives could hardly be never Trumpers -- no more no less.

It's a bit off topic but even a cursory though realistic analysis of the Trump tax cuts easily shows that the lower income individuals fared much better than the higher income individuals. It just makes a bad agenda meme. Back on point, of course it is the degree. I do not claim that Trump is a perfect conservative, just the best since Reagan, or has not done some things that are counter to conservatism, and while there are probably conservatives who do not like some of his actions and even a few who would not vote for him again, none would be never Trumpers IMO.

 

I DO know much of Trump's Presidential resume, but I wouldn't judge him, from these actions, to be one of the all-time, great "conservatives." You, on the other hand, do. That is the logic behind my asking you, which particular things about Trump make you classify him thusly.

Additionally, if you recall, I did speculate a few things, in lieu of getting an answer from you. You objected to my wording, regarding immigrants. Do you remember, now?