Why are you paying an exorbitant amount of money for fuels?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden has deliberately forced high prices on you is why.
    Biden wants you to own and drive electric vehicles. While you might like this, are you loving being forced? Will you have the serious amount of money to buy one? This helps the corporations due to the kick backs to the auto makers.

    We have a tiny percent driving electric. The Feds won't pay you a rebate when they force you to drive electric.
    I polled the forum and I believe around 2 out of 30 drive electric.

    But now, you are gouged for gasoline and Biden loves this tax on you.

    You should tell us if you drive electric, why?
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Gasoline prices July 2008, under GOP hero GWB: $4.11. Did you whine back then? My guess is not.
     
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    Why am I paying such a high amount for fuel? The same reason everybody else is, I have no real other choice. That is the case with most things in modern life. The government could chose to impose a 100% tax on electricity and double the cost of it and people would do little more than complain about it and pay the new rate anyway. What other choices do you have? Live by candlelight?

    My solution to higher gas prices has been to pay them because I need a vehicle to go to work and to the store. I don't like it, I don't like the fact that everything is going up in price overall, but I can afford it unless it jumps to like 100 bucks a gallon or something. Many others can't and they will have to either cave or hope to vote these types of people out.

    I'm not buying an electric vehicle for the mere fact that I keep vehicles until the wheels fall off and I don't like vehicles that I can't work on myself. Until the math works out in my favor to where it's beneficial to me financially to buy an electric truck I'll keep my two gas guzzling trucks until they disintegrate into dust. If the save the planet folks want me to buy an electric vehicle then it's going to take a lot more than $4.00 gasoline prices. Tell me I don't have to pay taxes anymore or something if I buy an electric truck then maybe we'll talk.
     
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    The world wide high price of oil and ntural gas has nothing to do with Biden,it' s the large oil producers like OPEC withholding supply from the market,and our frackers no longer producing nearly as much as they did a few years ago. Reduce supply force up the price.
     
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    In fact, people DO have choices. They could buy gas efficient cars. Do they? No, the three top selling cars are gas guzzling pickup trucks. And then, they complain and blame Biden when the gas price goes up and they have to pay more at the pump. Newsflash, this was ENTIRELY predictable. The low gas prices weren't going to last forever. But. it is easier to blame Biden than making responsible car purchasing choices.
     
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    We were energy independent a short while back and actually exporting oil products...... Biden kills that scenario and asked Opec to produce more.... he gives his sugar daddy Pootin, who has Biden bought off, the thumbs up for Russia's pipeline while giving the middle finger up to our own pipeline.... 10% to the big guy goes a long way..
    Yea.... you can say Biden is the direct cause of our prices on gas and heating...

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    GWB was not trying to force you to buy and operate an electric car.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes we were and we had lower fuel prices. When workers spend more on fuel, if they are living close to the chest, they then have do decide on how much to devote to shelter, food and other living expenses.
    Some want to know if I complained about earlier high prices. Sure I did. I chose Trump partly for that reason.
     
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    WOW, it is so much easier to blame Trump than for Democrats to blame Biden.
    Biden ended our deal with Canada. We had been energy sufficient.

    The public is buying pick up trucks. The PU makers were smart. A PU of today has as much passenger room as the smaller cars plus you can reach far more places with cargo than you can with the small cars. My sons Dodge Ram has as much passenger room as my Cadillac. And he can carry some large loads.

    It also hits me that at our southern border that the agents consume far more fuel do to being overwhelmed than was the case during Trump presidency.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually high prices for fuels is not global. Many countries supply fuel at very low prices.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prove this?

     
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    Where did I mention Trump in my post?

    In any case, if you bought a v8 large pickup truck and you worry about gas prices, you bought the wrong car. I see, however, that it is fashionable in Trump world to blame Democrats for their own poor choices.
     
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    You did not.
    I did not. My car gets around 25 mpg. So you are crying wolf.
     
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    exorbitant? perhaps if there were more competition among the energy corporations the price would be lower?
     
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    So you think Biden killed that off. When Trump was president his efforts caused prices to fall. We know it because they did fall. After he approved the deal with Canada. Biden wiped his ass on that deal.
     
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    This.
    Biden has deliberately forced high prices on you
     
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    Wait…you think Biden has the power to increase the cost of barrels of oil and therefore cause gas prices to increase all over the world just so he can “force everyone to buy electric”??? That takes a special kind of “logic”.
     
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    we pay for our energy with the defense budget. not so much at the pump.

    gasoline at $5 per gallon would be cheap, and taxing it to that rate would pay for quite a bit of infrastructure.,
     
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    You'll hear no arguments from me over that. Seems like plenty of folks want to have their cake and eat it too. The overwhelming vast majority of pickup truck owners have zero actual reason for owning a pickup truck outside of the fact that they want one. They also want cheap gas to fuel that 15 mpg land boat that they primarily use to drive to work and/or the grocery store and the only thing they ever "haul" is their kids.

    I admittedly have two trucks myself, both of which are an absolute requirement for my way of life though. I NEED 4wd to even get to work most of the year and I need the towing capacity and truck bed. However, I have a full sized half ton that spends 90% of its life sitting in my garage and I primarily drive my old beater mid 90s stick shift Ranger. Besides the times when I need to pull something heavy the Chevy sits in the garage, the beater Ranger does every single thing else the full sized Chevy does for my needs which is get me from point A to point B and carry stuff in the bed. Costs less to insure, costs less to fix, costs less to fill up. Folks tend to always want big shiny things they don't need.

    Now saying that, I'm fine with gas prices increasing due to natural economic factors even though I agree about unnecessary gas guzzling vehicles that are so popular in America. However, if gas prices are increasing due to some push for electric vehicles for climate change then I have a problem with that. If there is a legitimate push for electric vehicles to save the earth then governments need to do more to reward people for getting them, not punish people for not having them.
     
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    see post #7…. We think that because he did do that. To think going from being energy independent and exporting oil to depending on Opec to increase production so we can import oil…
    Now That really takes a special kind of “logic”
     
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    OR gender studies in Papua New Guinea....
     
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    Nope. The price of oil had already started to increase at the end of Trumps administration. Your cute little story has nothing to do with the price of oil. You really are “special”.
     
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    Just read the news. On January 19 we were self sufficient in petroleum. That ended on January 20 with "executive orders." I think electric vehicles could be a very good thing when the technology and infrastructure are up to the task. But government has stuck its nose into it and is punishing its way to implement them ,prematurely. There should be no need to tell you this. Fuel prices are where they are because of the current administration. Stop with the "prove it." You know better.
     

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