How Alarmed Should We Be?

Not that it gives him any credibility with the very folks it should but it's worth mentioning the author of the piece is a Repub. (or was, I'm not sure now) In any event I implore Repubs (and everyone else) to take 20 minutes and read the article as well as the supporting articles it provides links to. There's a lot to absorb.

How alarmed should we be?
An interesting debate is developing over how seriously we should take the rolling Trumpian coup.

Bill Kristol has been sounding the alarm for months. Robert Kagan wrote an epic piece arguing that “Our constitutional crisis is already here.” (If you haven’t done so, you should read his whole article.) Ross Douthat, who famously reassured us one year ago today that — “There Will No Trump Coup” — continues to argue that the threat is overblown because Trump is too incompetent to pull it off.
https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/how-alarmed-should-we-be-596

I encourage the Repubs here to not reflexively dismiss the material as coming from a never Trumper. He and the other authors have a point. You may not agree with it but that doesn't make it any less valid. Please take the time to honestly consider what is being said. Even if only in your private thoughts. This stuff is not alarmist BS. It needs to be taken seriously.

 

Only by the democrats. I find few republicans that take it seriously.

 

I take NOTHING from some quarters here seriously.

 

Give it a rest pal. Never Trumper's and the like have zero clue as to what is to be deemed a constitutional crisis. Our greatest constitutional crisis is taking place today with the biden regime that has weaponized any and all of the upper echelons of our government agencies, and you know it. America has never seen such a deeply disturbing erosion of our Constitution as they're seeing today from the dem party. Trump was and is perhaps the greatest pro American president at least since since Ronald Reagan, and perhaps since Abe Lincoln. No one is surprised that lefties like like yourself keep finding some (any) type of Never Trumper bullcrap to post in order to take the eyes and news off of the most destructive president in history--that of biden and his hapless administration.

 

I recall when Bill Maher was predicting Trump would refuse to physically leave the WH if he lost. What the Orange Insurrectionist did, and is still doing, is far worse. Maher's prediction for 2024 is even more dire........and completely believable in the context of what happened and is happening. Absolute fidelity to Trump is now the litmus test by which all Repubs are measured. Those who don't measure up are purged. The former GOP is the new POT now more than ever.

 

That's your prerogative. But you do yourself and the country no favors by sticking your head in the sand.

 

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1446673003190775808/vid/640x360/uqGfTZ3glOyWjP5c.mp4?tag=14

 

I don't hold absolute fidelity to Trump. I have not been purged.

 

Bogus nonsense. Biden and the Dems are doing far more damage to the country and the constitution than Trump ever did or ever will do. The only difference between never Trumpers and Democrats is how they wish to spend us into oblivion.

 

They are trying to divert attention away from how badly Biden is doing.

 

i find very few republicans who consider "president for life trump" to be a bad idea.

 

Yet once again we have a post that diverts our attention away from our country’s problems.

 

That's right, and who would be against having our greatest modern day president (Trump) serve out his life as CIC? Perhaps the millions of illegals (future democrat voters) flowing through our southern border might be against the strong border securing Trump, eh?

 

I suspect I know more republicans than you do and I have found none that want Trump for life.

Democrats would do anything to avoid talking about Biden.

 

Which is all the more impossible to believe as more and more info about the details of his coup attempt are revealed.

 

"impossible to believe?" i don't know. incredible that they can fit this authoritarian streak in with their self image as "rugged individualists?"

 

I know, I know. Donald Trump is a petulant child, and congressional Republicans are just humoring him. The Four Seasons Total Landscaping fiasco is an appropriate symbol of his shambolic efforts to contest the election results. The firing of Secretary of Defense Mark Esper is a spiteful but basically insignificant gesture on the president’s way out the door.

And Donald Trump can’t steal the election. He’d have to convince state or federal courts of ridiculous arguments. He’d have to flip not one, but three states. And state legislative leaders have shown no interest in the faux-originalist argument that they can ignore the voters of their states (and the laws of their states) and appoint their own slate of electors.

So it’s all annoying; it’s even reprehensible. But it’s not really threatening.

I think that view is probably correct.

Probably.

But.

But what if the demagoguery about election fraud and the sophistry about the prerogatives of state legislatures is repeated over and over for four weeks by Trump and his surrogates, and isn’t refuted by many, if any, prominent conservatives and Republicans?
https://www.thebulwark.com/be-alarmed/

But what if the demagoguery about election fraud and the sophistry about the prerogatives of state legislatures is repeated over and over for four weeks by Trump and his surrogates, and isn’t refuted by many, if any, prominent conservatives and Republicans?

Four weeks has become 9 months.

 

The Following deludes itself about many things. Primary among them is being patriots.

 

Many true patriotic conservatives (not longer Trump Republicans) have been blowing the proverbial 5 alarm fire for a few years now but given the current state of the Trump party and their mouthpieces, it's now at shrill level 24/7. They see the writing on the wall and trying to stop the threat to the country before it's to late. They are not wrong. pay attention people, many have followed over the cliff already. It's not politics as usual anymore.

 

I think most Americans outside of democrats have put Trump behind them. I study independents, as of the July/August time frame, they also have placed Trump into the dustbin of history. Instead of worrying about Trump, they've become focused on how Biden and Company are doing their job. Starting in August.

If I were a Democrat, I'd be worried more about how Biden and company can turn around the falling approval numbers of the Biden administration among independents than Trump. Trump and Biden are now about even when it comes to independents favorable/unfavorable ratings.

Trump 39% favorable/56% unfavorable question 74G
Biden 36% favorable/58% unfavorable question 74A

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/j46zs8picp/econTabReport.pdf

Independents gave Biden a six month honeymoon where they viewed him with an average of 53% approval just because he wasn't Trump. Then independents finally realized Trump was gone, they switched their focus from Trump to Biden and company. What Biden and company were doing or not doing. Whether Biden and company were being the moderate democrats they thought they elected. in August independent approval dropped from and average of 53% down to 47%. In September, they approval of Biden and the Democratic controlled congress dropped to 43%, today it is at 37% on average.

If the Democrats want a chance of doing good come the midterms next year, they better start trying to see why independents have deserted Biden than continuing to worry about Trump. This fixation on Trump may cause the democrats to lose both chambers of congress next year. I'd say it's time to find out what Biden and company are doing wrong than to continue on with Trump. Here's a good article which shows what I'm talking about.

Independents have turned on Joe Biden

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/08/politics/independents-biden-losing-fast/index.html

I'd say the bottom line is it is all about today, what you have done lately, not what someone did 6 months to a year ago. That is ancient history. As for Trump, the old adage of out of sight, out of mind applies, especially among independents. Democrats will always have a hard one for Trump. But to most independents, he's gone, ancient history.

 

I find very few Republicans give much credence to any democrat conspiracy theories regarding Trump including the one mentioned in the above post.

 

That's a different topic which does not address Trump's takeover of the former GOP and how that threatens democracy.

 

This is starting to be promoted more and more. That representative democracy is dead, and that we need a strong man like Trump to hold our country together.

Trump and his cult followers are terrifying. I believe that there WILL ABSOLUTLEY be large scale political violence. Many thousands, even maybe tens of thousands will be killed.

 

Except for the fact that no one has demonstrated any sort of coup attempt

 

What irony. Thinking Trump is what we need to hold the country together while everything he does is designed to divide it.