Gas Prices Climb, No Relief Before The Holidays

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  1. sec

    sec Well-Known Member

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    https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/gas-prices/

    HYPERLINK above has full article

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    That’s up more than 10 cents over the past month and by over a dollar compared to October 2020. In parts of Florida, Hawaii and California spikes have hit $5 a gallon..............

    Already, October prices are 44% higher than the average cost of gasoline was in 2020............

    And last week’s decision by OPEC and its oil-producing allies to not increase production further


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    hmmm, imagine if we had policies that encouraged exploration/drilling/production ? Well, by voting Democrat that is just a dream because Democrats reversed our energy policy thus making us more dependent upon foreign supply

    When will Democrat voters ever learn? or, did Democrat voters want to hurt the common folk? Or, do Democrat voters simply follow what the mainstream media tells them to do?

    Democrat votes have consequences; as we see, never good
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Texas Refinery issues and this by Trump last year are leading to higher prices at the pump

    "Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support"

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...se-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4

    "Trump threatens 'very substantial' tariffs on imported oil if Saudi Arabia and Russia can't reach a deal to push prices back up"

    https://www.insider.com/trump-threatens-saudi-arabia-russia-oil-tariffs-2020-4

    Republican votes have consequences; as we see, never good

    supply and demand... Trump cut the supply of cheap foreign oil, prices went up, who did not see this coming?
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    It's Biden's fault.

    Gas has also increased in Australia, Canada, Russia, France, UK.... everywhere in fact.

    That's how much Biden's negative influence is felt all over the world.
     
  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly, nothing to do with Trump forcing them to reduce the supply of cheap foreign oil, not in Trump supporters eyes
     
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    Russia?

    Lol.

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    Oh the horror.

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    The United States sworn in Biden and gas went from .62 to .85.

    Russia?

    Went from 49.45 to *gasp* 50.36

    Canada? Has liberal Trudeau and his carbon tax to help thank for their gas prices.
     
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  6. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exploration/drilling/producing fossil fuels will destroy the “common folk” in the long run, along with everyone else.

    A better idea is investing in nuclear. It is far less destructive than fossil fuels and “green energy”. Although it has its problems as well, it is by far the lesser of evils, and is our best bet until fusion can be figured out.

    nuclear, along with a general reduction in energy use is the best way forward.
     
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    Last year at this time, regular here where I live in TX was ~$2.01 which was higher than it was earlier in the summer of 2020. Today, best price around here is $2.89. So, roughly 44.5% increase in price since Xiden was inaugurated. Call it hyperinflation if you want.

    I would point out that gas prices don't reflect higher demand. Demand consumption is about the same or possibly lower in this area than same time last year. The only lever were those used by the Xiden administration that effected both supply, future supply, transportation, capacity growth, etc. Democrats hate when folks are free to move about the cabin... These prices reflect that ethos. Costs you more to be free. Of course it has zero impact on higher income levels, but for those who aren't wealthy, and are middle class, or poor, these are life changing costs.

    Why do democrats always punish the poor? Fun?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Let us know when personal nuclear is available, then get back with us.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    staying reliant on fossil fuels certainly is not helping. You want to prolong the problems, not solve them.
     
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    Why would one need personal nuclear?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, ok, I'll play your game. You want folks shackled without hope or ability to be mobile because your idea is more appealing to you.
     
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    however will one be able to be as mobile as they are now? If battery power cannot deliver real mobility today, what solution would nuclear provide unless is was individually available?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Gas prices look to be going up as the nation braces for what looks like a cold winter where the less fortunate folks might be put in the position of not being able to afford to heat their homes or drive to work. It's like democrats have become a dickens novel villain.
     
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  15. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ummmm, what? Where do you get that idea?
     
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    Use the nuclear reactor to produce electricity, then use the electricity to power a vehicle. Battery power is delivering real mobility today. If you haven't researched it lately, you should. They are making huge advancements in solar and battery technology.
    We're already doing that.
    Additionally, many people are already installing solar panels on their homes, powering not only their home but their electric vehicle.
    Then there is helium 3.................
     
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    Biden is POTUS of the world under COVID 19.
     
  18. Josh77

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    Private automobile use makes up some 40-50% of oil consumption in the US. Take that other 50-60% of oil consumption and have it run on nuclear power instead. That would cut oil consumption in half, which is massive.

    as batteries become more efficient, maybe they can cut it down even further. However, in heavily populated areas, increasing availability of public transportation can certainly help.
     
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  19. Hollyhood

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    Wow... I actually am very educated on this subject matter so let me unpack this Dumbocrat lie.

    This is from April 2020 when oil companies were filing for bankruptcy due to the shutdown. Trump wanted to cut global supply becauseSaudi Arabia (OPEC) was trying to flood the world market. It would have bankrupt the US oil industry, particularly the ones with large debt. Oil companies were no longer earning the same kind of income pre-shutdown so the expense of running at full capacity and then storing oil through a third party contractor would have been financially ruinous. This situation resulted from the Democrat push to shutdown the economy in their states, and then it worsened when they prolonged these shutdowns. Trump save the oil industry in the United States. Without cutting the supply last year, there would be much less oil supply due to bankruptcy of oil companies inside and outside of the United States.

    Where Trump succeeded, Biden has failed. Biden did not attempt to negotiate with OPEC until the summer of 2021. He has been unable to get them to increase supply despite knowing that oil prices would rise. He has started begging countries for increased output, and has been denied. He has already antagonized Saudi Arabia and the OPEC states for which Trump had created diplomatic and financial ties. While other countries in Europe and Asia have started projects to increase oil and natural gas supply, Biden has pushed policy that would limit the production, transportation, and storage of energy. He has caused the price to skyrocket in the United States by failing to address the issue.

    Biden has failed on energy. He is causing more inflation. To blame Trump for Biden's failures to negotiate with our allies is truly disgusting. If Trump hadn't save those oil produces last year, oil prices would be much higher.

    FreshAir's post is laughable given that this is one of the very few times that the media gave Trump credit for successfully tackling this issue. So I guess we should thank him for demonstrating that Trump would have been much better than Biden at dealing with the current energy, inflationary and economic crises.
     
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    I am not saying it was good or bad, I am just saying that is a big reason gas prices are higher now

    when they increase supply, gas prices will go down... watch and see

    American oil costs more, we need cheap foreign oil, just reality (unless you like paying more at the pump)
     
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    Yeah. It's too bad Biden pissed off the Saudis as soon as entered the white house. Trump was able to leverage the Middle East Peace deal to push Saudi Arabia to cut production. The plan was always to increase output when the economies opened. The reason prices are higher is due to Biden's inability to negotiate increased output.

    I know how supply and demand works. Biden shouldn't have nuked relations with the Saudis. Ending military aid to the Saudis and trying to revisit relations with their enemy had consequences.

    If we boost oil prices at home, prices will drop cause we increased the supply. That's the reality. If we tried it your way, we'd need more tankers delivering oil to our already overpacked ports. The cost of oil would increase due to the transportation expense, and we'd see additional delays and supply chain issues for other industries. If we cut back local production as Biden intends, we'd see lower supply and higher oil prices cause the tankers carrying 'cheaper' oil would experience significant delay.
     
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    lower the demand, and decrease production. Go nuclear, along with overall responsible decrease in energy use.
     
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    Of course consequences never occur to folks like you.
     
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    Hmm... So you're in favor of putting a 2-300 mile leash on folks..... That doesn't seem to be very useful, unless your intent is to limit the mobility of the people.
     
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    …says the guy wanting to expand reliance on fossil fuels. The consequences obviously do not occur to you.
     

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