Trump defends Jan. 6 rioters' 'hang Mike Pence' chant in new audio

Is that true, that death threats aimed at public officials are perfectly legal?

 

Because Rittenhouse did nothing wrong and is on the cusp of a rightful not guilty ruling!

 

The world is out to get the straight white male more than the gay black female, that's for sure!

 

Big deal. They were arrested. Many of them were not prosecuted.

 

You have a source for your assertion.

 

Not at all .. all citizens should be given a fair trial -- even so called "Domestic Terrorists" - and the Rule of law should be upheld .. Punishment should fit crime - Equal Justice Under the Law.

The sentencing is a Kangarooland clown show.. "Equal Justice Under Law" does not =

There have to be consequences:' Judge ups sentences for Capitol rioters

WASHINGTON, Oct 13 (Reuters) - A federal judge in Washington has repeatedly sentenced people who stormed the U.S. Capitol to more prison time than prosecutors sought, saying that even people who were not violent should face consequences for joining the unprecedented assault.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/th...-ups-sentences-us-capitol-rioters-2021-10-13/

This is disgusting .. Politics infusing itself into justice .. not a good thing .. compare sentencing here to BLM riots .. Do you find any Equality there as far as sentencing ?

 

Who said Trump blessed the ones who broke into the Capitol? Here are Trump's words - there is no blessing, only support for the mob action:

Karl: Were you worried about him during the siege? Were you worried about his safety?
Trump: No. I thought he was well protected. I had heard he was in good shape. No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape.
Karl: Because you heard those chants. That was terrible. I mean, you know, those –
Trump: Well, the people were very angry.
Karl: They were saying, ‘Hang Mike Pence!’
Trump: Because it's common sense, Jon, it's common sense, that you're supposed to protect — how can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? How can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?

The mob broke into the Capitol around 2 pm.
Trump's tweets:
2:24 p.m.: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:38 p.m. “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

3:13 p.m."I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

4:17 p.m. I know your pain. I know your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now.

We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this, where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you, you’re very special. We’ve seen what happens, you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know you how feel. But go home, and go home in peace.

As you see for more than 2 hours Trump did not call for the mob to stop the attack. At 4.17 Trump decided that the attack was completed and the attackers now - and not 2 hours earlier, can go home.
And who are the attackers? "We love you, you’re very special".

 

Did Kathy griffin barge into the building where Trump was like these rioters who were chsnting kill Mike pence did? Do you agree Griffin faced consequences for her actions? What consequences did those who threatened to kill pence face?

 

Can you even contemplate the number of political speakers I could quote telling their audience they must FIGHT for their causes?

 

Trump's "cause" is to overthrow democracy, in front of a pumped-up crowd that he has led to believe that the election was rigged, just steps from the Capitol and while the VP certifies the vote.

What former POTUS has done something equivalent in the history of this country?

Take your time.

 

I don't care how you misrepresent his cause why do you ignore the fact that telling your political supporters to "fight" for you cause is normal political discourse?

 

The "cause" that Trump is championing - overturning an election - necessarily involves the use of violence.

That's why 30% of Republicans believe that violence would be justified to achieve their ends.

What happened on Capitol Hill could only end in a riot.

 

At least we are acknowledging it to be a riot. That information needs to be sent to Congress to end the charade and focus on the people's work. Otherwise many incumbents might find political challenges in re-election and the possibility of losing their jobs via the ballot box.

 

I really have nothing more to add about T**** being an a*shole.... it's all been covered...

I wanted to relay a very funny line I heard on a podcast yesterday about Pence.

They were discussing what sort of PTSD Pence might have had after 1/6.

One of the commentators, and I didn't catch who, said quietly "Battered Wife Syndrome".

Nailed it...

 

Perhaps you didn't notice, but some of the "people's work" was signed into law yesterday.... with limited help from a few CWAG's....

Just don't know how they found the time to move forward while a very small committee (with 2 non legislative factors) does their work simultaneously...

Cray Cray....

Also several people are likely to lose their jobs via the gerrymandered district map (on both sides)... I hope Congress can take that up in early 2022...

 

By LEGAL means under election law and what he believed, rightly or wrongly, constitution means and to engage in a peaceful protest. Not overturning the government, not overturning democracy. And every election cycle candidates challenge elections and it does NOT necessitate violence. Remember Florida 2000, I don't recall Gore engaging in violence in his attempt to overturn democracy and an election.

It wouldn't have been a riot IN the Capital had the DC and CP and Congressional leaders done their job and have proper security there. It would have been no different from other protest that turn into attacks on the police on the street. They failed at the impeachment to show Trump ordered anyone to engage in a violent act or even suggested they do so. Nothing has shown that since. The FBI has found no pre-planning or conspiracy nor arrested Trump for inciting anything.

 

We've had the same discussion before and you don't seem to connect with reality.

Unless you're claiming he's demented, Trump knew full well that what he was doing was unconstitutional.

He was advised of the illegality of what he was doing by almost every lawyer at the DOJ + William Barr.

That's why he tried, unsuccessfully, to fire anyone who didn't join the Big Lie.

They had to threaten him with resignation as a whole to prevent him from acting on this front.

And this is one of the most important aspects that Commission 1/6 is investigating.

Gore went all the way to the Supreme Court and lost.

Then he conceded. For the good of the country.

No political propaganda lies, no attempted coup.

Finally, the two cases are unrelated.

It's the police's fault if Trump could send his MAGA horde to storm the Capitol.

What a shame.

For now.

And that's why Trump is going to fight all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent Congress from having access to the documents concerning that day.

But he's going to lose, just like he lost on his tax return.

And what happened when Cyrus Vance got his hands on Trump tax returns?

Trump doesn't cultivate secrecy for nothing.

 

He went to court and filed legal challenges, he lost. He had legal advice, right or wrong, the VP could sent tallies back to the states, Pence did not believe he could, end of story. And those internal matters are of no concern to the Congress they don't oversee the President.

Gore went to the Florida Supreme Court after summarily losing in the Circuit Court and he got the FSC to issue an unconstitutional order. Bush went to the SCOTUS which issued a stay on the FSC and ordered it to explain where it got the authorization to create a new election rule. It couldn't yet ordered the recounts to continue. The SCOTUS then slapped them down and ordered them stopped. Gore was trying to over turn the election results just like Trump was.

And still claims he really won.

No different than Trump.

They are related because both were legal challenges to the election results.

They knew for weeks there would be a big protest, it was their job to prepare for it just like all protest.

How long does for now last?

Yes protecting the Office of the President from such intrusion.

Congress has his tax returns?

Not much that I have seen

I thought you guys loved the right to privacy?

 

And you say this while claiming to be a defender of the Constitution, the guardian of the separation of powers?

A real shame.

Trump tried to pervert the DOJ and tried to force Pence to act against the Constitution.

End of story.

You mix up privacy and impunity.

I would never have believed that people who claim to be defenders of the Constitution could defend the lack of transparency of a President.

Especially after the terrible events of 1/6. The Republicans no longer have any credibility on this issue.

 

He said that those threatening to hang Pence were using “common sense”. What’s the big deal here. In Trump’s mind, and the minds of his cultists, Pence not doing what he wanted him to do deserved to die.....duh. Makes perfect sense in Trumplandia.

 

He pursued what he believed legal and constitutional claims, rightly or wrongly. And yes I am the one defending the Constitution and separation of powers.

No I cite privacy as in the 4th and 5th Amendments.

He's a private citizen now and EP is a recognized privacy right of Presidents over their official duties current and former.

If the DOJ thinks he committed some crime Jan 6 then they should prosecute. It is NOT the role of the Congress.

It's this commission that has no credibility.

 

No one in their right mind would believe such bs.

You are totally biased... because you voted for him.

Around Trump, there were the best constitutionalists in the US and Barr, who didn't follow him in his conspiracy theories.

Trump knew very well that he was going against the law, as he has always known in all the frauds he has committed in his life.

And your position is inconsistent with your claims to be a protector of the Constitution.

It has enough to send Bannon to jail, followed by Meadows and Trump, hopefully.

 

Sorry your narrative has no basis but the fact is he was following the legal advice, right or wrong, for a legal and constitutional challenge to the election.

For what crime? Exerting EP? What crime are you asserting they committed concerning Jan 6 and give me the supporting evidence.

 

No, but did the rioters get anywhere even CLOSE to carrying out even the FIRST STEP of an actual hanging?

I'm not sure. Do you know what the consequences were?

You mean the ones who are being rounded up as we speak?

 

Why did you say the below?

And here is the ACTUAL transcript:

Trump had already started his answer before Karl mentioned "hang Mike Pence." Now, should Trump have used this opportunity to condemn the human waste who chanted "hang Mike Pence?" Absolutely. Did he say that it was common sense to chant hang Mike Pence? Well, not even Karl himself claims that in his own tweet: https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1459116740407930882?s=21