In surprise move, U.S. and China vow to work together on climate change

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  1. Hell Raiser

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    title : suprise move: u.s. & china vow to work together on climate change link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...imate-change/ar-AAQyCwa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 imo, this is a joke. why? vowing to work together is not really doing anything about climate change.
    imv red china is just trying to get into as many groups of nations to get what is best for red china.

    if you disagree, let me know. i'm interested in your thoughts on this. thanks. :evil: :)
     
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    So what you're saying is China is using soft power. Which every country that has a foreign policy does. What is the issue?
     
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    my issue is that msn makes a big deal of this (vow). with no proof that china will really do anything for climate change. iirc, china is now having energy problems with black outs around the nation. i found a link to back up the problems china is having with energy: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/china-coal-s-last-hurrah-comes-too-late-for-old-mining-towns/ar-AAQyLyq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 again iirc their green energy can't produce enough power. xi is trying hard to clean up the capitals bad air. because of the coming olympic games coming soon. iirc. i like your thoughts on this. thanks. :evil: :)
     
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    China is already doing some things like scaling back some of their production plants that are the biggest consumers of electricity. The Chinese green energy plan is 2-3 times as long on implementation than most of the west "pledges" which seems like a more reasonable timeline than say California's
     
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    you are correct. china is cutting back on some coal run electric plants. but that is causing (blackouts) around the nation. and the coal red china was getting from the aussies was a better type of coal, that red china is not getting now, because of the row with the aussies they are having. and many coal mines in red china, are running out of bad coal, so the heating for homes in red china will be very cold this year. with the olympics coming xi is trying to clear the air where the olympics will be held in red china. just my opinion, or saying your wrong. ok? thanks for you view. :evil: ;)
     
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    title: u.s. pays china for an unenforceable climate deal link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-pays-china-for-an-unenforceable-climate-deal/ar-AAQB8zT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 now just my opinion, but didn't kerry & obama do the same thing with iran with their nuk deal? that deal didn't even come close to stopping iran to stop their nuk production . and we paid them billions to do that. again just my opinion, when do some people learn you can't deal with dictators. just my opinion. anyones thoughts on this--pro--or--con--welcome to post a reply. thanks. :evil::)
     
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    Their vow to work together is as meaningful as the claim that climate change is an existential crisis for humanity. Russia and China realize that climate change is a phony issue and are just leveraging it to their own benefit.
     
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    China undoubtedly realizes that greenwashing their country's image is a good marketing ploy in today's economic and political climate.
     
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    Anyone that trusts China is a moron.
     
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    Every stupid progressive policy China agrees to is 80% just lip service.

    Progressives seem to have a special little place in their heart for China, because they know they are Communist, even though they are also aware it is kind of totalitarian dystopia in other ways.
     
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    Sure. Having access to that technology is fun and profitable for the Chinese

    Anyone that trusts the US is dumber than a box of rocks.
     
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    How can you rely on any information coming out of China? They are a dictatorship with no opposition media or political opponents. It's not exactly a recipe for truth...
     
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    BS. China leads the world construction of new coal-fired power plants.
    China To Build 43 New Coal-Fired Power Plants
    2021 › 08 › 25 › china-to-build-43-new-coal-fired-power-plants
    reduce coal use beginning in 2026. ... Despite the development of coal power plants, China is a ... China is planning to build 43 new coal-fired power plants and 18 new blast furnaces
     
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    I take them at their word on this. You don't. That's fine. The Chinese aren't stupid. They know they need to greenwash their global storefront. Plus, surprise surprise China makes big climate pledges and magically the media forgot about that pesty Uyghurs/slave labor/human rights thing. How very convenient for them.
     
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    i would agree with that with biden as pres. under trump imo, when he said something you could bet your poke on it.. :evil: :)
     
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    The same can be said about the US ... who is perhaps less trustworthy than China on the Geopolitical Chessboard.
     
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    What pledge would that be? They havent yet agreed to reduce CO2 emissions with the result that they are increasing those emissions every year.
     
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    They pledged to peak out by 2030 and be carbon neutral by 2060....
     
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    That only ensures more cleaner manufacturing done in advanced nations will be moved to China(and India) where its done without concern for CO2 emissions. With the net effect of more CO2 globally
     
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    One can assume that I suppose. I personally think that all the COVID and supply chain issues are going to encourage more companies to bypass foreign suppliers in the future.
     
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    China offered Biden a face saving fig leaf. China has no intention of changing course. They understand that without fossil fuels, you will soon be Ethiopia.
     
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    Both can be true. Covid and supply change issues can be a factor that encourages manufacturing to be done in the US while China with no concerns for Increased CO2 production, lax environmental controls and cheap labor are factors that encourages manufacturing to be done in China. These agreements where the modern industrial nations agree to cut CO2 emissions in exchange for China and India agreeing to continue increasing CO2 emissions results in more manufacturing being done in China, India and other less developed nations and less manufacturing in modern nations
     
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    Exactly .. the Biden - Blue -- "Not in my back Yard - Dump in the Ocean" environmental policy. We get to increase Ocean Pollution via production in non industrialized regions .. and increase CO2 at the same time via industrializing non (or less) industrialized populations.

    Whats not to like ?!
     
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    Right .. so we continue massive increases to CO2 -- for the next 10 years .. and then maintain that level .. until such time as we don't .. and hopefully 40 years from now have things figured out.

    In the meantime .. Ocean Pollution continues unabated .. very doubfull we have another 25 year cycle - the last taking CO2 from 22 Billion tons/year to 36 Billion tons - "ALL" due to industrialization of non industrialized .. .. without catastrophic Ocean damage.. .. which is the #1 most pressing and urgent environmental issue .. but no one cares .. its a big garbage can .. lets see how much it can handle.
     
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    There is a huge global market for green-tech, so they'd be stupid to not get into it, and utilizing green-tech will benefit them too (energy consumption wise).
     
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