RITTENHOUSE Verdict unleashes CELEBRATIONS, on the RIGHT

The country would have been far better off had Romney defeated Obama in 2012.

 

Yes, and then there were no further elections until the present day when we magically have a party system and joint tickets.

O wait... no.... there were other elections... and the guy who was VP was generally the main opponent of the guy who was P. Happened numerous times during the 'founding' era.

 

Different question. I was just pointing out that parties existed early, even if they did not have names. 12th Amendment passed in 1804 to make President and Vice President two separate elections.

 

Indeed and we have an amendment for direct election of senators too, and for income tax, and they both **** up the system just like consolidated tickets do.
They're not meant to have such plenary control. They're meant to have to mind their p's and q's lest they get snaked. Its supposed to make them more cautious with their abuses of power and minimize those abuses. Consolidating all that power and those perverse incentives leads to them growing profligate and brazen.

 

How so?

 

Which "rightwingers" supported the Jan 6th rioters? All they did was fight with the police to break into a building, and then they just walked around taking selfies, and went home. They accomplished nothing, what in that was worthy of anyone's support?

 

Yes, but there was no reason to believe Obama was going to thwart his larger effort to help rich folks.

 

The smaller states would not have all agreed to sign the Constitution if they were not allowed an equal voice in the US Senate

After the 17th amendment was passed, it took away the state government's representation, and turned it into another popular vote seat. Today, Senators can ignore the state legislator and governor and adopt the agenda of outside influences. They can become Democrat Party partisans, bow before Schumer and write legislation counter to the needs and desires of their own state governemnt. The normal voting habits for Senate dems is to vote however Sen. Schumer tells them they should vote. this is the exact opposite of how the Senate is supposed to operate, and it's why our nation is so screwed up today.

 

There would have been no Syria disaster.

 

I'm talking about before he even took office.

Of course not. But McConnell didn't know what Obama would compromise on when he decided on a "no prisoners" approach. What we got was Obamacare. Maybe we could have had former Senator Coburn's proposed medical voucher system.

I'm quite serious (but not agreeing with your suggestion I didn't think Obama had political positions).

 

There would never have been a Trump presidency.

 

The idiots who believe Trump's Big Lie about a stolen election?

They helped damage our political system.

I'd give anyone who does what they did at least ten years in jail.

 

Yeah, I don't think Romney would have screwed up. Good point.

 

Probably true, and another good thing.

 

You can do better than that.

Mindless tribalism doesn't have to be the outcome of our political system and politics. I say this from experience.

 

Just a thought... Without Perot, we would never have had Slick Willie. Then probably no Dubya and his incompetent financial management. Without Dubya, there would have been no Obama. No Obama? No Trump.

Yeah, I know it doesn't work that way, but there is some truth to each hop. No Perot, No Clinton. No Clinton, No Dubya. No Dubya, No Obama. No Obama, No Trump. No Trump, No Biden.

 

It's not at all mindless or tribal. It's the way the system is supposed to work.

 

I don't know. I don't think either Clinton or GWB was an especially poor POTUS, and I certainly don't think Trump was a reaction to Obama.

 

Why? They would have fought a civil war either way. There is no telling how Romney would have handled it.

 

In early 2012 the Syrian opposition (still dominated by democratic leaders) asked the US for arms with which to fight. They asked for no US troops. Obama turned them down.
Meanwhile, the US departure from Iraq created a safe area for the Islamic State to reform, and move into Syria.
Had Obama not turned down the Syrians and abandoned Iraq, the Syrian civil war would likely have been quick, with a relatively happy outcome.

 

You have a similar opinion of politicians as I do. One would think voters could do something about that but I suppose it is wishful thinking.

 

It should. I think we would get not only less corruption but also fresh ideas.

 

You mean when he was a candidate running for office who announced those policy positions and discussions you're "of course" not denying he had? So there was plenty of information to go by and rhetoric to infer from?
Cool.

 

You seem to have mangled your quote here and mis-attributed a statement to me. Please fix it.

 

The best measures to dampen public corruption are good salaries and sound pension plans.