Is Atheism a logical belief?

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  1. ToddWB

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    atheism is illogical ref: Pascual's Wager
     
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    It's part and parcel to his character. We pique his jealousy by our thanklessness and statue worship. And his vengefulness by our wickedness or the evil we do to others. Not that salvation hinges on that. It is just part of his personality and nature. Personally I find jealousy to be endearing. And vengeance to be a matter of justice. So I don't see those characteristics as negative.
     
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    why do theists disavow the existence of all the same gods minus one?
     
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    There is plenty of evidence of individual racism from all sides, and no equally apparent evidence of God. Granted there are probably far more false calls of racism than real instances of it. But that doesn't mean that the actual evidence of racism elsewhere simply disappears. What has that to do with Atheism?
     
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    That suggests people live their lives as if a god exists.

    BUT, Christianity does NOT believe that will get you to heaven.

    Other than that, living one's AS IF a god exists hits me as possibly being a reasonable choice, as long as care is taken to avoid the unacceptable parts.
     
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    Racism exists in the dem party, yes. Racism exists among fascists from the left and from the right. But to say racism is even close to being one of the main reasons why blacks can't make it in America. for example, is just a lie...Maybe you're conflating racism with reparations?
     
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    Please explain your post.
     
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    I miss posted. What I meant to post is there are plenty of reasons why blacks can't get ahead in America but racism isn't in the top 10 of those reasons. To believe racism is that important in preventing blacks from being successful in America is propaganda.

    In this thread I wanted this certain atheist who proclaims they don't believe in god(s) because they don't exist why they believe in racism when racism hasn't been shown to be that much of a detriment to blacks in America.

    Racism does exist among the dem party. Racism does exist among fascists from the left and from the right.
     
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    You keep moving goal posts.and changing the subject. You were first comparing it to theism and the saying we must be able to quantify it for it to exist. Now you are talking about it in the Democratic party (so you admit it exists) and talking about being a reason "blacks cant make it in America" (when many of them can and do make it). Then you suddenly mention reparations. Why?

    This is a thread about atheism. Not any othe the above.
     
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    I honestly can't tell if this was posted in jest or not. Is this sarcasm making fun of theists, or is this a serious post?
     
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    Sure. There are all the separate reasons that comprise racism.

    If you disagree, then post your 10.
     
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    To me, the point here is that Christians deny the existence of just about exactly the same gods that atheists deny exist.

    It's just that there is one of the tens of thousands of gods that Christians choose NOT to deny!

    Given that, it should be pretty darn easy for Christians to understand denying the existence of gods - they have MASSIVE experience in doing that themselves.
     
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    do you believe in all the God, or just one, why not all the others?
     
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    Denying existence or denying the truth they proselytize? I thought they chose their God based on truth, not existence?
    If you are advocate of a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs and choose communism as the state of choice, why dont you choose all the other similar political systems? Pretty useless question if you ask me. You dont need to choose all similar political systems to be a statist.
     
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    if one is asking why atheists do not believe in Gods

    it's simple, look to oneself, why do theists disbelieve in all the same gods as atheists do minus one

    then you have your answer
     
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    So whats your problem with them choosing which God or several gods to believe? It only takes one God to be classified as theist.

    AFAIK Atheists believe G/god(s) do not exist at all, and theists on the other hand recognize that G/god(s) do exist and choose which G/god to believe is truthful and suited to their best interests.
     
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    no problem with it, you can believe or disbelieve in any Gods you wish
     
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    So then this:
    was simply rhetorical?
    and you didnt expect a response?
     
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    just a question that would answer the poster's question about why atheists don't believe in Gods
     
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    Atheists believe that there are no god(s) 'cause there's no evidence of god(s), for example, but I can't seem to wrap my head around the hypocrisy of some atheists who think racism is a main (or only) reason why blacks can't be successful in American society when there's absolutely no proof that racism is an important reason why blacks can't be successful in American society.

    The dem party thinks racism is important, obviously, 'cause the dem party is racist. Racists also come from fascists from both sides of the political aisle.
     
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    Off the top of my head (and I've done this in other threads) here are 5 reasons more insidious than racism which prevent blacks from being successful in America:
    (1) black leaders and influencers are socialist. I don't mind some socialism in leadership or influencing of blacks in America but to have all leaders and influencers be socialist is detrimental to blacks in America...Just as it would be detrimental to have all leaders and influencers of blacks in America be capitalist.
    (2) blacks expect reparations and don't expect to work to become successful ('cause they believe in socialism and if they don't believe in socialism they're ostracized and called Uncle Toms, for example).
    (3) blacks don't eat right and they don't exercise.
    (4) the black community doesn't promote education.
    (5) the black community doesn't promote independent thought.
     
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    I'm agnostic. There's no proof there may or may not be other god(s).
     
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    You really seem to be determined to shoehorn one topic into another. This has nothing to do with atheism. There are atheists who don't claim any such thing. There are even atheists who outright deny racism even exists at all (as irrational as that is). Atheism only means they don't believe in God(s). That has nothing to do with what they think of racism.

    This completely off topic.
     
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    Perhaps you mean something else, but what you actually wrote here is explicitly and outright racist. You can't speak like this of "blacks" as an entirety and pretend you aren't speaking racism. There are many people with black skin who tick none of those boxes.
     
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    Christopher Hitchens is one such avowed atheist who mightily believes racism is all insidious and all omnipresent w/o proof racism is all insidious and all omnipresent.
    https://www.azquotes.com/author/6756-Christopher_Hitchens/tag/racism
     

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