The Left Have Shot Themselves In The Foot

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  1. Kat236

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    (Sigh) I said, and I quote: “If they are going to pull a gun and kill you then it’s over before it even begins.” Meaning if the only intention is to kill you and you have no warning, there is no defense against that. Game over.
     
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    The constitution is clear, SHALL NOT be infringed.
     
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    I don't tell this often but 11 years ago, when I was still in college we had an odd day where instead of being there 8a to 6p, we only had to come in at 10a for class photos.

    I was in the shower and heard heavy knocking on my apt door.

    I got out and heard them knocking again.

    Then I hear keys rattling at the door. They tried about a dozen keys so I had a second to think.

    No apt. Inspection scheduled.

    No appointments that day.

    Nobody was meeting me that day, so I got my pistol.

    I get to the door and can only see the top of a guys head.

    He finally unlocks the door and as it cracks open my foot stopped the door.

    I looked down at a 5 ft tall Hispanic guy, my gun was pointed at his face.

    He jumped back like a cartoon and as he did the THREE little dwarves behind him tried to turn to run, the last one fell down the stairwell backwards and the others jumped over him to leave.

    They fled in different directions.

    I locked up and called the apt front office. Did they have an inspection? No.

    I said 4 guys stacked up on the balcony unlocked the door and tried to enter.

    The girl at.the front office was quiet.

    I called the cops and they said if no one was hurt and nothing was stolen they would not file a report.

    I moved out soon after and told the neighbors what had happened.
     
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    That was my point as well.
     
  5. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok Putin avatar.
     
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  6. truth and justice

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    That stolen gun the intruder is holding is your gun you purchased for protection.
    Only 2 in every 1000 property crime victims are armed at the time of the crime. What happened to all the other victims who purchased a gun for self protection? and the point is? Gun owners did not have time to get their gun they purchased for self protection. A gun for self protection provided no help at all except to allow the intruder to steal the victim's gun. It just increased the chance of your gun being used on you
     
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  7. Patricio Da Silva

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    "Shall not be infringed" .


    What is it that it shall not be infringed?

    The right.

    And ONLY the right.


    There is no right to own a bazooka, or 100 bullet clips, etc, etc

    There is only the right to keep and bear arms.

    By that narrow wording, you could be limited to owning two guns of a certain type and caliber, if a state wanted to so regulate it.
     
  8. US Conservative

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    What is a 100 bullet clip?

    I'm not going to debate someone who's fundamentally against the constitution and ignorant of fire arms.

    You might have more luck on democrat underground.
     
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    Actually, the more loosely we prosecute crime, the more crime thrives. The gun count is irrelevant, but that metric is absolutely consistent.
     
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  10. Patricio Da Silva

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    Doesn't matter, replace the idea with something you know.
    I am absolutely for the Constitution, and you can't provide evidence of the contrary.
     
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    You're confusing the responsible person with the irresponsible one. Most people can do better than that.
     
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  12. truth and justice

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    Most gun owners look the other way hoping that they will not be noticed. It's a myth that gun owners will come to the rescue if a store is under an armed robbery
     
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    Not true. While it's not your duty as it might be for police, any responsible person wants crime stopped. It's always a judgement call as well. But with frequency- concealed carriers have stepped in.

    'A gun owner with a concealed-carry permit shot and killed an armed robbery suspect at a Chicago cell phone store on Saturday night, according to police. Dec 27, 2020"

    "Gun Owners of America states that armed citizens kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year, 1,527 to 606. GOA also said that: “Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, a citizen kills or wounds his/her attacker.”"

    "Studies routinely indicate that every year, Americans use their firearms in defense of themselves or others between 500,000 and 2 million times. Very few of these defensive gun uses receive national publicity—if they receive publicity at all." Why? because media is assisting in the manipulation of public perception, and ignore truth that doesn't help the narrative.

    • Feb. 2: A restaurant owner in Akron, Ohio, scared off a masked man who attempted to rob him with a knife. The man fled, and police believe he successfully robbed a different restaurant just hours later.
    • Feb. 5: A Nashville, Tennessee, woman was attacked from behind by a would-be purse thief, who proceeded to repeatedly slam the woman’s head into a wall when she resisted him. The woman’s husband heard her cries for help and came to her defense, firing his gun at the thief and causing him to flee.
    • Feb. 9: When three armed men attempted to rob a Little Caesars restaurant in North Fort Myers, Florida, a patron inside pulled his own firearm to defend other customers. One suspect was shot and the other two fled.
    • Feb. 12: A homeowner in Jackson County, Georgia, heard someone trying to break into her house through a window. She found a man standing outside and warned him not to come into the house. Nevertheless, the man broke the glass window, so the armed homeowner shot him.
    • Feb. 13: Sullivan County, Tennessee, Sheriff Jeff Cassidy praised the actions of a concealed carry permit holder who ended a deadly domestic violence incident at a dentist’s office. The armed citizen shot and detained an active shooter who killed his wife and may have planned to harm others in the office.
    • Feb. 14: An Evans, Georgia, mother shot and killed her boyfriend after he began violently assaulting the woman’s 15-year-old son during an argument.
    • Feb. 16: Two masked assailants attempted to rob 35-year-old Antonio Santiago in Allentown, Pennsylvania, pepper spraying his face and “pistol whipping” him with a BB gun that appeared to be real. In an act of self-defense, Santiago grabbed his own handgun and fired at his attackers, killing one of them. Two other suspects fled, but were eventually arrested and tied to two other recent crimes in the area.
    • Feb. 17: An armed good Samaritan in Daytona Beach, Florida, intervened and fired a shot to stop a knife-wielding man, who had already stabbed someone, from stabbing other people outside a convenience store.
    • Feb. 20: A 79-year-old Commerce, Georgia, homeowner called 911 to report a burglary in progress after she heard someone breaking into her home. The burglar ignored her threats and came in through an upstairs window before police could arrive. The homeowner shot at the burglar, who was so scared that he hid in a closet until the police arrived.
    • Feb. 24: Three armed men ambushed a Houston, Texas, couple who were walking out of their apartment complex, forcing them back inside to rob them. The boyfriend retrieved his own firearm from within the apartment and exchanged fire with the three men, injuring one of them.
    • Feb. 26: The Mobile County, Alabama, Sheriff’s Office posted a Facebook video showing an armed local homeowner’s recent encounter with two would-be burglars. The burglars attempted to enter the occupied home in broad daylight, and were only deterred when the homeowner fired her handgun at them.
    • Feb. 27: A group of teenage thieves entered a pawn shop in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and tried to flee with two guns they grabbed from behind the counter. Armed store clerks chased the teens and held them at gunpoint until the police could arrive, preventing the future unlawful use of those stolen firearms. Police believe these teens are responsible for other gun thefts and may be able to take other illegally possessed guns off the streets as a result of these clerks’ actions.
    • Feb. 28: Two men helped rescue a woman from a would-be kidnapper in Natchitoches Parish, Louisiana, after seeing her struggle to escape on the side of the road. After the two men stopped their car, one of them pulled out his handgun, prompting the suspect to flee. He was later apprehended and confessed to kidnapping the woman.
     
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    I would think that single bolt action rifles, shotguns (non-clip fed) and musketry would meet the 2nd amendment requirements.
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    2a doesn't grant rights as to kind, type, caliber, and quantity.

    In fact, it's written in the collective. This 'individual' business wasn't a settled argument until Heller, which was decided on a party line vote. Hardly the stuff of solid precedence.
     
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  16. truth and justice

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    Anecdotal events. Already addressed the myths you've repeated here on the previous page using actual statistics. And my link on the previous page? It came from a pro-gunner who scored a nice own goal.

    Only 2 in every 1000 property criminals (eg intruders) are even challenged by the property owner with his gun. Yet 6 times that number of guns are stolen. So with every self defense challenge with a gun, 6 guns are stolen

    A gun for self protection provided no help at all except to allow the intruder to steal the victim's gun. It just increased the chance of your gun being used on you

    For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
     
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    The very fact that the vast majority of gun owners, even in red states where it is permitted, do not carry their guns around with them in daily life, makes your point moot.
     
  18. Patricio Da Silva

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    Thank you, I'd like to use your stats in my arguments. Could you give me the source of them? (in case someone asks for it).

    Thanks
     
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    Yes, guns are stolen- because the justice system ALLOWS it. One would think that they would recognize that a stolen gun is the class of gun most likely to use in crime... not so.

    Theft is classed by dollar value, not the nature of the item. Petty theft results in a report being filed. It is not investigated or pursued- and is a misdemeanor with at most a fine. most states have raised the threshold between petty theft and grand larceny, to cut down the cost of investigations and prosecutions. Thus now, hordes of thieves run into a Walgreens, each grabbing all they can, and run out- with no consequences.

    Most guns now fall into the petty theft class, so the theft of a gun is not investigated or pursued, or seen any differently than the theft of a television or X-box.

    Now guns are not toys, they are mechanical devices that are inherently hazardous. Serious gin owners know how to use, store and protect their weapons. Unfortunately, wisdom is in short supply thee days, we have allowed children to physically mature without mentally becoming adults, and they lack the ability to think. Just as some people are electing incompetents and idiot to public office, incompetent idiots will own guns. There will be accidents, just as there are with cars, kitchen knives, hammers hitting thumbs, etc. IF you don't know how to use a tool, you shouldn't try to use a tool. It's like a vote. In the hands of incompetence, that tool gets you a president that gets lost on the white house lawn and has to be led to the door. It's not the guns. NEVER been the guns- It's the PEOPLE that present the issues of crime. NO gun ever murdered anyone- the hand that held it did. And if it weren't a gun, it would be a knife, a hammer, a club, a rock, or a fist. Fists and feet kill more people every year than all the rifles of all kinds combined....

    Your numbers come from people with an agenda. Real world doesn't work on an agenda.
     
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    So you believe "bear" equals "own"?
     
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    So your statement was false. Your revised it to "increased your chance", but still did not qualify your statement with the number of cases where someones own gun was used on them.

    Why did you restrict your example to property crime? In order to make a case for gun control, numbers must be manipulated.

    You did accidentally make a true statement:

    Criminals steal guns and use them on unarmed victims.

    Laws don't affect criminals, but do provide them with unarmed victims. Gun control is not from a position of concern for human life.

    Im curious, would you disarm armored car security guards?
     
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    On the presidential campaign trail in Iowa and on the op-ed page of The New York Times, former Vice President Joe Biden has made the case for going back to a nationwide ban on assault weapons and making it "even stronger."

    Some have reacted with quizzical expressions: "Back?" "Stronger?"

    Yes. Twenty five years ago, when Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Congress passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — commonly called the assault weapons ban.

    It prohibited the manufacture or sale for civilian use of certain semi-automatic weapons. The act also banned magazines that could accommodate 10 rounds or more.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire

    Congress has the authority, if not the political will, to put controls on some weapons.
     
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    Bad law is responsible for much of this killing ..and most of the gang activity .. which results in innocent people getting killed. Out system is set up to turn non violent - everyday folks in to violent felons .. Whats not to like :)
     
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    "Only 2 in every 1000 property criminals (eg intruders) are even challenged by the property owner with his gun"
    came from the 0.2% figure came from the table on page 6 in this link:
    https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable17.pdf

    Number of guns stolen come from these links:
    Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year
    https://www.businessinsider.com/criminals-steal-guns-from-legal-gun-owners-2017-11?r=US&IR=T

    About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/press-release/f...urglaries-and-other-property-crimes-2005-2010

    "For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."
    came from (1998 article)
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
     
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    Wrong. The punk would be ventilated by said victim before he knew what happened to him and no more women would be raped by said punk. The great equalizer, a nice handgun.
     
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