Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Banned Donor

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    There are over 22,000 gun laws on the books. Laws don't stop crimes. They just punish those who commit them. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
    The gun wasn't easily accessible. It was purchased with a background check. The IDIOT who bought the gun made it accessible to his IDIOT son. And even after they knew he had it, did nothing to stop him other than a text (Don't do it)
    The principle was aware of his threats against students yet did NOTHING. But you would support that since you don't want to hurt his feelings and its easier for you to go on a gun rant than it is to hold those responsible. But thats how the left thinks these days.
    So go make some more gun laws and let us know how it works out for ya.
     
  2. Smedley

    Smedley Well-Known Member

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    This is not a thread about the Waukesha incident.
    There are appropriate threads here to address that.
    As to your your questions, I would tend to think that the answer is No on both counts.
     
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    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Damn, I actually feel bad for the unnamed assistant and at least in some degree, the DA had a roundabout turn and accepted responsibility towards the end of his statement, but given the explanation I feel it's totally on the DA and the unnamed assistant shouldn't have ever been brought up.

    If not for his failed 'bail reform' initiatives, the guy doesn't go free, period. Don't blame it on the assistant that you dumped it on.
     
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  4. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Totally.
    Lotsa 'splainin' to do:

    The parents were told they needed to get Ethan Crumbley into counseling within 48 hours, McDonald said.
    James and Jennifer Crumbley resisted the idea of their son leaving the school at that time," McDonald said. "Instead, James and Jennifer Crumbley left the high school without their son. He was returned to the high school.
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    That certainly puts some tabasco in the recipe. Once upon a time a firearms instructor told me there was no point having a weapon for home defense if it were not within arm's reach of the bed, loaded and ready.
     
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  6. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, AN.

    Probably some inexperienced overworked and underpaid person that to them it was just another piece of paper put in front of them that they signed.

    Change it to $1,000. Sign. Next. Etc...
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Using this tragedy to justify a tanTrump is not right. Regardless of party affiliation, these parents had to have known their kid was mentally unstable. Allowing access to a firearm was negligent.
     
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    I think I'd rather face charges than betray my child. But having the gun freely available to him without supervision sounds negligent. Then again, he's being charged as an "adult" so which is he, a child who the parents must supervise or an adult?
     
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  9. Andrew Jackson

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    Yup.
    Then again:

    Georgians for Gun Safety is another nonprofit advocacy organization working to reduce death and injuries by firearms. The GGS webpage on safe gun ownership includes a number of information points worth reviewing. These include:

    • Lock your gun; keep the key on you.
    • Guns should be stored unloaded, uncocked and securely locked out of sight or reach.
    • Check the chamber of a semi-automatic handgun for bullets when removing the magazine.
    • Lock ammunition up separately from your gun.
    • Keep ammunition away from moisture and heat.
    • Do not store your gun or ammunition with valuables that are likely to be stolen.
    • Do not store your gun under a bed, mattress or in an unlocked bedroom drawer
    https://www.garagecabinets.com/gun-safety-101-how-to-store-guns-safely-in-your-home/
     
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    Smedley Well-Known Member

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    I can totally agree w/ the 2nd part.
    As to the 1st part, I included it to provide context to the words and actions of the parents, which I find to be egregious.
     
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    Very good for a weapon never to be used for home defense. That's how a hit man would secure his weapon.
     
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    When and if they sue the school they are in effect suing themselves and all of their school district residents since it is their real estate taxes which finance the school.
     
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    Looking into it more, the timeline is quite chilling. The parents were at the school that morning and were told about their son's poor state of mind. Presumably they then went home.

    In the early afternoon, they heard about a shooting at the school and decided to check their unlocked drawer. Upon finding that the gun was missing, Dad called the police while Mom texted her son "don't do it" but by then it was too late.

    What happened between the school meeting and the shooting will be critical to the case. Had the parents checked the drawer even an hour earlier, there might have been time for school officers to get the gun off Ethan before the shooting started. Such a simple act could have saved lives, but then I'm sure the last thing on their minds was the possibility that their son might shoot up a school. "Not my son. He'd never do that."
     
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    The gun was purchased as the 15 year old sons Christmas present !!!!!
     
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    They should have taken him out of school that morning (after the meeting with school officials).
    OR:

    IF the Parents didn't want to take him home...
    THEN, the school should have suspended him (on the spot) and given the parents the option of giving him a ride home, or told him to walk home.
    But, obviously, he shouid have been expelled from the entire campus and premises of the HS.

    And, WHY wouldn't the Parents take their troubled child home?

    Hopefully, it wasn't because doing so would interrupt the timing of their Smurf Run for the local Meth Dealer.

    And once again, THIS Deserves a Major Explanation:

    The parents were told they needed to get Ethan Crumbley into counseling within 48 hours, McDonald said.
    James and Jennifer Crumbley resisted the idea of their son leaving the school at that time," McDonald said. "Instead, James and Jennifer Crumbley left the high school without their son. He was returned to the high school.

     
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    Evidently the parents are now on the lam. Law enforcement has tried to arrest them but cannot locate them at this rime.
     
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    Parents on the Run...

    Police are searching for Michigan school shooting suspect's parents

    Police are currently searching for Michigan school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley’s parents just hours before they are scheduled to be arraigned on involuntary manslaughter charges, according to authorities.
     
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    A Mother's Guidance and Compassion at work:

    Investigators found Jennifer Crumbley texted son on that day saying: “LOL, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.”
     
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    That is what the prosecutors are saying:

    Jennifer Crumbley also posted about the gun on social media, calling it "his new Christmas present," McDonald said.
     
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    So, the plot thickens.
     
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    This will likely be brought up by the parents defense attorney. The DA is going to have to make a decision on this fairly soon.
     
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    I think that was the response that shows you the level and type of parenting. I think it could be pretty devastating when presented to the jury. Here is the full content:

    McDonald said a teacher saw Ethan Crumbley searching ammunition on his cell phone during class the day before the shooting and reported it to school officials. The school contacted Jennifer Crumbley via voicemail. Officials also sent an email but received no response from either parent, McDonald said.
    "Jennifer Crumbley exchanged text messages about the incident with her son on that day, stating, quote, 'LOL, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.' End quote," McDonald said.
     
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    As more evidence is apparent(and given their behavior), i would upgrade the charges to murder. As far as intent, they A: Provided the gun, B: Provoked the child's behavior and C: showed no intent of reprimanding the child and now D: are on the run.
     
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    And I read it as falsely attributing this tragedy to ones political affiliation or support for the constitution.
     
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    Perhaps,
    I still assert that my adding the context of the parents' actions, and words are pertinent to the story.
     

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