LIVE STREAM OF ABORTION CASE that Could OVERRULE ROE

Does it bother leftists that most abortions are black? I wonder if their tune would change if conservatives applauded abortion as a form of eugenics?

 

This is about banning abortions past 15 weeks ffs. What kind of a sick **** wants to fight to retain that?

 

What possible reason would there be for differences in abortion, in different states? Does the length of a fetus's gestation period vary, depending on one's state?

 

Haven't you heard? They are, "fine people," who Trump encourages to "stand by."

BTW, by editing out all the others from the former fringes, who now are mainstream Republicans, you are misrepresenting my post.

 

Could you seriously have overlooked the counter balancing interest of the state, i.e., the welfare of the unborn child? You could legitimately use that description, of a fetus that was at a viable stage of development. Before that, it is not an unborn child: it is just a fetus, and it only exists through its parasitic attachment to its maternal host. So, to explain it as you can hopefully understand: there is NO change in the mother's interest, when the fetus crosses that line; the interest of the FETUS, in the eyes of the state, increases.

 

The people of the various states have different views on the issue as they do on several issues.


It has nothing to do with the gestation period.

 

I will quote you back your own words, in response to your depicting either:
1) the entire populace of a state as having the same view of something, or
2) the rights of any who cannot get their views represented in state law, as being irrelevant--

we don't need one-size-fits-all solutions.

 

SCOTUS interpreted the 14th Amendment, the right of Due Process, to include a right of all to Privacy, and further, that privacy included what a woman decided to do about her pregnancy, at least fully for the first trimester, and partially, during the second. So Congress did grant the right, and the states ratified it, when they added that Amendment. Granted, all the applications of the principle they incorporated into our law, through that Amendment, could not be known, from the start.

No, interpreting the meaning of the Constitution, is their job.

 

It’s truly adorable how you think every Justice appointed by a Republican President is a Conservative Justice.

 

That is the point in pregnancy, I have learned in this thread, when a fetus just begins to move, and kick. Prior to this point, many women-- especially young ones, who have never been pregnant, and are the least ready to be mothers-- are not aware of their pregnancy. So, what kind of sick **** wants to force girls through entire, unwanted pregnancies, just because they had not had sufficient sign of their condition, before an arbitrarily-set deadline?

Also, it belies anyone's claims, that they want women to give thoughtful, serious consideration to the question of whether to abort, or opt for some other course, like adoption, if that same person supports the cutoff date to choose to abort at about the time a young woman just discovers that she is pregnant. Does that not seem a reasonable argument?

 

Still comes down to personal choice, black or white…

 

Is there a point being made here? If there is, what is it?

 

Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???

 

Margaret Sanger approves of that.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???

Sanger is dead....try to keep up.

..and she DID approve of black women having the same rights as white women...

...don't YOU ?????????????????


NOW address the post of mine you quoted:
FoxHastings said: ↑
Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???

 

But her racist agenda lives on

 

Get real, people! Nobody is going to eliminate "abortion-on-demand", "abortion-on-whim", or anything of the kind. Why not?

1. If the 'Conservative' Justices on the SCOTUS threw out "abortion-on-demand", the vast majority of American females would turn on all Conservatives, wherever they are found, like an angry, avenging army! It would set off the biggest political bloodbath in American history, and the Republican Party would very likely cease even to exist afterward.

2. If "abortion-on-demand" were forbidden, the outlays deemed necessary for handout welfare programs would balloon to levels that would be almost unimaginable! The old saying that you must "abort 'em, or, support 'em" would surely be instructive and sobering to even the most ardent 'pro-life' faction among us... hell, with a national debt that's already in 'the stratosphere', we can't afford the welfare burden we're saddled with right now!

No... somewhere during next late June or early July, it'll probably be announced that the Supreme Court has decided that it can't decide and throw the whole thing over to Congress... and, all things considered, that's probably where it should be decided anyway.

Whereupon, "abortion-on-demand" will be heartily affirmed by both houses of Congress (since nobody in either the House or Senate wants to commit political suicide), and their support will be accompanied by bulletproof legislation which will be signed immediately by whichever Democrat president is in the Oval Office at the time. Done, done, and DONE.... Sound about right...?

 

STILL NO anser to :

FoxHastings said: ↑
Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???

 

No problem.

Incidentally, you may find this interesting - it is the argument I referred to in Post #109 that Gorsuch might agree with. It is excerpted from the Planned Parenthood v. Casey ruling written by Sandra Day O'Conner and justices Anthony Kennedy and David Souter:

Full text of the rulings in the case here:

https://h2o.law.harvard.edu/cases/4680

 

According to what I've read about this case, the Court isn't going to outlaw abortion because that's not what it's being asked to do.

 

That would be denial of facts and history and hardly a surprise. I personally love the Women and think she should be honored with Sainthood

 

So you contend Sanger is still alive? Hilarious.

"Women" is plural...

But what ever aids your ducking and dodging :


FoxHastings said: ↑
Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???





Sanger is dead....try to keep up.

..and she DID approve of black women having the same rights as white women...

...don't YOU ?????????????????


NOW address the post of mine you quoted:
FoxHastings said: ↑
Does it bother you that black women have as much right to abortion as white women???""""""""""""


Sounds like it does

 

Well that was weak

Followed by an even weaker derogatory grammar comment/insult..

Did I get the derogatory right

 

Nope, not at all!

BTW, spelling bee

LMAO

 

Putting aside that the SCOTUS is not supposed to consider politics but, of course, politics are involved, the obvious inconsistency in what seems your logical conclusion, is that states with Republican governors and legislatures are attacking abortion almost to the point of making it illegal. Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, and South Carolina all banned abortion after the onset of fetal heart beat, which can happen as early as 6 weeks; in TX, there is not even an exception for rape or incest.

The nation's strictest law, though, is Alabama's, signed in 2019 but yet to go into effect because of legal challenges, which BANS ALL ABORTIONS, and establishes a criminal penalty for any doctor performing one, of up to LIFE IN PRISON.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/abortion-laws-us-states-texas-alabama-1593133?amp=1

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Georgia, Ohio, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee and Louisiana are even stricter, as they ban abortion at SIX WEEKS, with Missouri not far behind as the procedure is prohibited at EIGHT weeks of gestation.

Arkansas also passed legislation in 2021 that would make abortion in the state an unclassified felony unless a procedure is undertaken to save the life of a pregnant woman...

Six states, Mississippi, Missouri, Kentucky, South Dakota, North Dakota and West Virginia, only have one abortion clinic left, making it very difficult for residents to get the procedure, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

Although multiple states have passed stricter abortion bills since 2019, a majority of the laws have not yet taken effect due to court challenges to them or delayed effective dates.
<End SNIP>

So it is very clear that, despite what common sense might seem to us, to dictate to Republican politicians, this is not a concern. Hence, your posit-- that Justices would be more afraid of the effect of their ruling on the Republican Party than the politicians in that Party, themselves-- kind of falls flat.

The actual state of things, I will assume, comes as much of a shock to you, as it does to me. But whatever the various motivators, the takeaway has got to be that this is not just a matter of playing politics. This has been a Republican objective-- I would submit, because of some very rich, Republican donors-- for a long time, and they have finally got the Court they need to make it a reality. So any who are looking at this through a conventional lens, are missing the forest for the presumed trees.

This is not a drill. This is and has been happening, in front of our very eyes, out in the open.

That's all the time I have, right now, so I'll have to address the rest of your post, later.