Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do parents know anything about their childrens' lives? Hmm ... well, they could try paying attention to them, or maybe talking to them, as just a start. They could do things to punish their kids, not physically but severely enough to teach them about consequences. Of course, that's assuming the parents understand the concept of consequences, which doesn't seem to be the case here.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. They make these things called gun safes, ffs. From little ones like mine (I only have the one handgun) to great big fridge-sized ones for collectors/hunters/enthusiasts like my son. They also have classes on gun safety.

    Unlike you, these seem to be very irresponsible parents.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point.

    Schools need better guidelines for dealing with students whose behavior is troubling and guns are known to be a possible factor.
     
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    The gun culture thing is an issue, obviously (because it allows a disturbed person to take out a lot more lives than other weapons), but the FIRST problem in this household was creating a disturbed kid. That happens via neglect, and as a result of parents modelling bad behaviour and poor control of their own emotions/anger etc. When a vulnerable kid is both taught that instability and narcissism are okay, and is intellectually and emotionally neglected, they're ****ed.
     
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  5. Joe knows

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    Kids that are into hunting often look up ammo prices. They can’t buy it anyway so I’m not sure how that search was indicative of a mass shooting little lone a violent act. As for the text message after the shooting how could that be construed to be guilty of anything other than horror of what her child done?

    The drawn picture however is a big concern. If my child drew that picture he wouldn’t be allowed around or near any of my guns and I would have gotten him some sort of help. However it seems this moved fairly quick. I’m not sure how the parents could be charged with this.
     
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    Where did it say they knew he had the gun?
     
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    nowhere in the article does it state they knew he had the gun until 15 minutes after it was reported. The man noticed the gun missing then called the police to tell them he thought it was his son.
     
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    Since when did searching ammo become a reportable crime? You know how many people do that every day? If my kids were searching ammo I wouldn’t care at all.
     
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    When the DA announced she was bringing charges against the mother and father claiming the mother texted him saying, don't do it.
     
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    yep, never get this, why tell the school, tell the police
     
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    A quote from your own article.

    She sent that after it was done. This could have meant don’t kill yourself for all we know. It was definitely post incident
     
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    yep, she should have called the cops if she knew he might do it and the gun was missing
     
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    "Then when news of the shooting became public, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son at 1:22 p.m., "Ethan, don’t do it," McDonald said."

    maybe she meant don't kill yourself then if the shooting was already over, guess we need to know when it was really sent
     
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    They knew after the fact and did call them to inform them it was probably their son. It’s towards the end of the article. If you would like me to quote it I will.
     
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    then I am not sure why they are charging them if they did not know until after
     
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    The bigger question is how are these parents being charged with homicide while they weren’t present nor aware of a gun in the school or in their kids hands at all at the time, yet Alec Baldwin pulls the trigger killing someone and absolutely nothing… not a single charge at all.
     
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    I think the DA made that pretty clear. They’re charging them to try and punish someone just to punish someone. That’s how I read the statement anyway.
     
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    Alec Baldwin gun was supposed to be loaded with blanks, someone without his knowledge put a real bullet in it, not the same at all
     
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    Not holding a gun at all can lead to manslaughter charges for these parents yet him actually holding one and pulling the trigger and killed a person can’t lead to manslaughter?

    you’re right, it’s not the same at all. Where I come from you check a gun before even cleaning a gun little lone pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger.
     
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    I think the da is upset that the parents and the boy were not answering any questions and lawyered up - hoping with the charges they talk to media at least
     
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    I do not think the parents should have been charged, unless they knew the kid took a gun to school

    they had an expectation that the gun was safe at home, like Balwin had an expectation the gun was loaded with blanks
     
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    His parents bought the gun for him as a Christmas present. They wanted him to shoot--up the school so that he would get killed while doing it so that they would finally be rid of their disappointment with him. It was a set-up.
     
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    I keep my SUV in the driveway. If someone steals it and plows through a parade are you going to want me arrested because I didn't remove the spark plugs when I parked it? Because that's what this is about. Leftist hate gun owners so much they're going to try and hang murder convictions on people WHO HAD NO ****ING HAND IN THE KILLING simply because leftists demand we store OUR OWN MOTHER ****ING PROPERTY per their rules. Well touch ****ing **** I aint doing it because no criminal who comes breaking into my home is going to twiddle their thumbs and wait patently for me to unlock my safe, remove the trigger lock (ya leftists on social are demanding two locks now), load up the mag (because the ammo has to be locked up too), and then deal with the scumbag that these same leftist DA's will probably prosecute me for shooting anyways even my multiple 4K security cameras show beyond all possible doubt that it was self defense.

    Meanwhile ghetto murders occur hourly in Detroit but hey no White people to blame there so to hell with those victims.
     
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    But nobody found them compelling enough to search his bag, or tell his parents he's suspended immediately and indefinitely depending on what the shrink has to say?? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the parents, but it seems to me the school itself likely has just as much liability in this matter as they do. Maybe more. A simple search of his bag during the meeting between the staff, parents, and shooter, which I'm seeing plenty of legal reasons to do so would have averted the whole thing, and none of us would even know or be talking about it today.
     
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    ahh, you don't like their politics as they are not Democrat so they must be charged. This is where Democrat voters have now arrived

    And we continue to hear the fallacy that the National Socialist Party was right-wing. Leftists want to imprison and hurt those whose politics differ from theirs; your post is an example of that


    Democrat votes have consequences; liberty dies with them
     
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