Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

Yes, and her answer had been, "LOL. You have to learn how to not get caught," or something very close to that. And it did begin: LOL.

My own sentiment, exactly.

BTW, it sounds like they are going on the run. Their lawyer says, after the boys disappeared, and went "dark (stopped answering phone, etc)," that they were not fleeing law enforcement, but only hiding for their own personal safety, from the community. The lawyer has also been saying, at least since yesterday, that the boys were on their way in to turn themselves over to police. Not only have the boys not arrived, but the parents (also being charged) have now gone missing. And I just heard that they withdrew $4000 from the bank. But, according to their lawyer, they're not going on the run.

 

At the same token, devil's advocate is that if the child was that determined to "be death" and inflict death upon his fellow classmates and teachers, he might've tried to get a gun anyway even in the hypothetical where his parents were sensible parents.

But we can't deal in hypotheticals, we can only deal with what we know. 1) The kid shot and murdered his classmates in school. 2) The kid had intentions to do this and 3) The parents knew about these intentions and not only didnt they seek help, but they literally did nothing to secure the firearm that was "brought for christmas."

 

They were hiding from the public, not the Police. You think all Parents should be blamed for what their children do? That'd be a whole new realm to justice. I'd wager that ninety percent of our nations murders and crimes in general are committed by the seed of Biden supporters. But you go on with your venom and mud.

 

I support gun safety class and their reaction to the disturbing drawing while questionable is not criminal. As far as the ammo searches yah I will defend them on that. I also will defend them because many kids look up ammo. I know this cause I live in a small town. Ammo right now is hard to find. Specially hunting ammo. My kid has tried to find good steel shot prices cause he loves waterfowl hunting. To point to that as being indicative of a mass shooter is absolutely insane.

The gun (as their lawyer states) was locked up. The kid may have known where the key was or something. None of that has been determined yet. The only thing happening is you’re seeing an anti gun DA who has actively called for gun control try and make an example out of someone who had nothing to do with it.

 

They claim the gun was also locked up.

 

Yup. Not only is he trying the case in public, poisoning the well and putting the defense at an unfair disadvantage. But he is overcharging the Parents on pure emotion and questioning the value of the second amendment. He needs to concentrate on his profession, try the crime in court and leave legislating to the legislature. This has nothing to do with the constitution, and everything to do with personal conduct....including the D.A.s.

 

Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. I had to verify these assertions. Absolutely unbelievable.

https://apnews.com/article/crime-sh...ol-shootings-a734bfa163d0e761b1eac3031ba0569a

1) Nov 26th Dad buys son a 9mm Sig



Nov 30th
2) Prior to 10:00 a teacher observes that the son had scribbled together a preview of what was to happen that afternoon and reports it to the office
3) 10:00 the parents arrive at the office to discuss the son's murderous memo:

The parents are immediately summoned to the school for a meeting that occurred around 10 a.m. A school counselor removes Ethan from the classroom and takes him to the office with his backpack. The counselor obtains the drawing, but Ethan has already scratched out portions. The parents are shown the note and advised that they are required to get him counseling within 48 hours. They resist the idea of Ethan immediately leaving school and depart without him, McDonald says. He returns to the classroom.

4) 12:51 the son kills 4 students and injures 8 others
5) 13:22 Mom texts son, "Ethan, don't do it"
6) 13:37 Dad calls 911

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I don't understand this at all.

What were the circumstances that led the teacher to observe what I assume was the 15y old's psychopathic rant on a spiral bound notebook?
Did a student sitting nearby raise their hand and kinda point at the kid?
Was there an ongoing lesson being taught and the teacher noticing that the kid had checked-out and was intently writing in his notebook, and then took a stroll over to see what he was doing in the middle of the lesson?

And, upon observing this disturbing written media in the child's notebook, the teacher did what exactly?
Waited until after class I imagine and then reported what they had seen to the office.
How was this accomplished I wonder. Do they have phones for teachers in the classroom now? No, most likely the teacher called the office on their cell, or maybe they texted someone in the office. Maybe they did this before class was finished.

Imo, at this point there should have been a zero tolerance policy that kicked in and the teacher should have had a procedure that involved an alert to school security who should have immediately come and detained the kid with all of the possessions he had with him in the classroom and with an immediate search of his locker and gym locker, if he had one.

Well, apparently the only thing that happened is that the teacher communicated to the office that the kid had a disturbing sketch and notes in his notebook.

Subsequently, a councilor from the office pulls him out of class to attend a meeting with his parents, in the office, with the sketch, and apparently with the 9mm semi-auto present from Daddy tucked away in the backpack sitting right there in the office. Dad didn't make his son empty the contents of the backpack during this meeting? Dad and Mom didn't check on the location of the Sig before they rushed over to an unplanned meeting in the office?

What were the Principal and Assistant Principal(s) doing during all of this? Had they even been informed of this stuff going on?

How old are these people? Gen Xers much to my despair I bet. wtf...?

I'd say that these parents are accomplices in Murder 1 based on my vast knowledge of the law according to Dick Wolf. Daddy bought junior, a 15 year old with homicidal tendencies a ******n 9mm Sig Sauer ffs.

This is way more messed up than just the parents dropping the ball.

I'd have that school district's head-on-a-plate if this had been my kid killed with all of this inept and ineffectual morning activity from the school's front office going on.

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Interesting that one who constantly complains about fake this and fake and fake the other thing, parroting a favorite phrase of Trump, seems to believe this whole storyline and supports the state's decision to charge the parents. Nice to see one of our right honorable GOP "conservatives" dare to step out of the box, I suppose.

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I'll post this opinion of mine again, how would an assault rifle ban have prevented this incident? 9mm semi-autos cause way more problems than ARs in everyday civil society. Assault rifle / AR semi-auto rifle bans do nothing to significantly affect the number of gun homicides in the US compared to a handgun ban. Thank god silencers are regulated as well as they are.

 

Had to make sure and try to get some bad orange man in there too huh?

 

I suppose I too qualify as right wing or whichever way I'm labeled..... Having read the details in your post, I too fully support the parents being charged.

What sort of parent would buy a 15-year-old a 9 mm, but it was not kept inaccessible in a gun safe and used only under adult supervision on a range or private property?

 

You’re absolutely right. She is trying to charge them on emotion. There is no law that describes these people of a crime. I also think the DA is a girl isn’t it?

 

I suppose I should add something, by the time I was 14 I had unsupervised access to several firearms.

I used to go in the woods and shoot them by myself.

I guess the times are changing because never once did it enter my mind to take them to school and open fire, as much as I hated school.

And I was somewhat of an isolated antisocial child diagnosed with ADD at a young age.

But I would not take the Ritalin I would spit it out in the water fountain.

Wonder if this kid was on psych drugs?

 

Because Progressives don't like 'tough love'.

 

so this kid's parents are Progressives? ...

 

So you don't think school principals are responsible for the safety of the students, enforcing discipline, or ensuring the policies of the school are followed?

 

Nope, baseball wasn't our thing. Both played football in middle and high school. One ran track and the other played basketball.
They both rode horses and worked with me in a Rodeo company I owned working livestock.

 

Owning a gun for protection has nothing to do with being afraid or scared. For most I know, its like having a condom.
Better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it.
Ignoring the realities of the world over some fake gun phobia is just ignorant.
If you prefer to leave your security in the good will of man, thats your business. But don't fault others who don't follow that logic.

 

The parents bought him the gun as an early Christmas present. The teen recorded videos the night before the shooting in which he talked about shooting and killing students the next day at Oxford High School.

His behavior was concerning enough that school officials called Crumbley's parents to the school for a meeting on Tuesday just a few hours before the shooting,
Ethan's teacher noticed a note on his desk that contained drawings of a semi-automatic handgun, a bullet and a person being shot twice with the phrases "the thoughts won't stop, help me," "blood everywhere," "my life is useless" and "the world is dead" written throughout, according to McDonald.

The parents were immediately summoned to a meeting, during which they were told they were required to get their son into counseling within 48 hours. The parents were asked to take the kid with them but they refused and left him at the school.

At that meeting, the parents were shown Ethan’s drawing showing him shooting people. The fact that any parent could read those words in the drawing, see the pictures he drew of killing people and also know that their son had access to the gun they gave him and not even ask if he has the gun with him or search his backpack is unbelievable.
Criminal negligence at the very least.

 

Horse scat....does wearing a seatbelt mean you are scared? Do you lock your doors at night?

 

He had unintended access. The lawyer for the two has said the gun was locked. Not sure how he got it but he was not intended to have access if locked. Name a crime they’re guilty of? If you can’t move along.

 

how does that qualify as criminal negligence? Last they knew they locked up the gun. Why would they have any reason to believe he had it?

 

Even if I had one attached to my hip who is he to even judge my reasoning? It’s our constitutional right. With all the destruction to life and property the BLM movement has brought I have all the reason in the world to carry it.

 

My heart goes out to those dealing with the tragic maleficent attack / slaughter... I don't have kids around, none the less, a heeding to us all on knowing where our firearms are at all times!!!

 

Noted.

 

Perfect example of the lack of quality I've found here looking to debate politics and hopefully lose a decent amount of arguments.
I learn nothing win I win an argument - it is the loser of an argument that learns something: by definition.

A 39 year old's mother should be held to account for the 39 year old crashing his vehicle into a crowd if a 15 year old's parents are held accountable for buying him a Sig Sauer 9mm Semi-Auto piston from Wile E. Coyote Acme guns.



Pathetic.

 

Seems there is lots of blame to go around. Once kids are dropped off at school their safety is in the hands of the faculty. There was enough cause to get the police involved and social services. Letting a disturbed child back in to class after recommending he see a counselor within 48 hours seems rather odd. I'm sure we'll find who knew what and when and what was done about it.