Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges

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I would not trust these sleazy lawyers to tell the truth any further than I could throw them.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of the story, it appears there is no law requiring the gun to be locked.

I would call it common sense but we don't make laws about that.

 

A Great Piece by Mitch Albom:

Mitch Albom: The echo of preventable gunshots at Oxford High School will be heard forever

Consider all those adults in the room the morning of the shooting, with the 15-year-old Crumbley sitting there, his scribbled cry for help on the paper, and no one thought to open his backpack? No one thought to search for something with which this clearly disturbed child might do harm? Instead they sent him back to class?
That can’t happen. The norm must be to assume the worst. Complete and immediate investigation. If that means challenging kids’ privacy rights, challenge them. If it means metal detectors and locked doors at every one of the more than 110,000 high schools and elementary in this country, well, perhaps that time has come — whatever the cost. We’re spending trillions now for what some politicians claim is a fairer future. How can such a future not include assuring kids return home alive from high school?

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...-high-school-shooting-mitch-albom/8840777002/

 

Regardless of the story, it appears there is no law requiring the gun to be locked.

I would call it common sense but we don't make laws about that.[/QUOTE]

This is true.
It still does not change the fact that these parents are being charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter.
They facilitated and enabled their son in the commission of these crimes.
The splitting of hairs by the supporters of the parents combined with the lies and spinning of the truth by these ambulance chasers does not amount to anything pertinent.

 

This story is starting to resemble somehow the Parkland shooting, or the Sandy Hook shooting.

Cameras throughout the school, yet not a single frame showing the shooter doing the dirty deed, and a narrative constructed and read by talking heads.

The agenda appears to be more gun control legislation.

 

Huh?
Lolwut?
Have you actually been following the entire story?
Because, You are Dead WRONG!
Of course, there is video of the actual shootings.
What are you even talking about?

"I've seen some of the actual video of the shooting itself. It's clear that he came out with the intent to kill people. He was shooting people at close range, often times toward the head or chest. ... It's chilling. It's just absolutely cold-hearted, murderous."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...chool-shooting-surveillance-video/8823148002/

 

I viewed your link. There were no videos of the actual shooting. Did I miss them? Can you direct to those videos or photos?

Absent those videos, we are in the same place as we were with Parkland and Sandy Hook.

FYI, I do very much want to see some facts that will support the official narrative. So far, it is a story told by authorities, with details very similar to Parkland.

Make me a believer!

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

More conspiracy garbage.
Just because the footage has not been released to the public yet does not prove anything.

 

No, it doesn't prove anything at all, but it suggests much.

We had the same thing happen in other suspicious stories about shootings.

Please excuse me for asking questions of known liars.

 

Upon reading further information of this case I have to reconsider my opinion, it appears that they broke no laws except for what would seem to be common sense but as far as I know there are no laws about that.

It looks as though the DA has an uphill battle here.

But I do stand by my opinion that it should have been kept secured and used only under supervision.

And that's not exactly a gun that I would buy for a 15-year-old.

First thing I would buy a kid would be a Red Rider BB gun. Then when they demonstrated they were responsible and understood basic gun handling safety protocols, I would buy them a 10 pump BB gun, and after that perhaps what they call an adult model break barrel.

Then a single shot .22

 

Would you care to tell us which particular law they violated?

That will be the challenge for the da.

 

SIAP. Are schoolteachers and administrators also going to be charged with manslaughter?

 

These charges against the parents are to placate:
(1) Anti-gun individuals
(2) Woke individuals (the shooter and parents are white).

When a prosecutor makes their case out of politics and not facts, they tend to lose like with Rittenhouse in Kenosha.

This is an unethical trend for prosecutors: Prosecuting a 15-year-old as an adult because he's white (and probably a former Trump supporter). Prosecting Rittenhouse and the parents (the parents are also probably Trump supporters) and not prosecuting the guy who drove his truck into the parade (who didn't appear to be white and didn't appear to be a Trump supporter). IMO, it seems skin color and political affiliation have everything to do with whether one is prosecuted (as an adult) or one is let go or send to a hospital, for examples.

 

I admit that I am not an expert on the complexities of the laws in the state of Michigan regarding these matters.
That is not my job.
We will see when the prosecutors present their case.
I agree that the prosecution will need to have a strong and convincing argument in order to get a conviction.
This should be interesting.

 

Obviously, the DA thinks that they can (under some legal theory) prove these elements:

Michigan Penal Code Chapter 750
750.321 and 750.322 - Manslaughter
750.321 and 750.322 - Manslaughter
In Michigan, the crime of manslaughter (voluntary) is similar to that of murder, however without the element of malice aforethought. While manslaughter is not justified, the circumstances under which an individual commits an intentional killing often mitigate the homicide.

In Michigan, the crime of manslaughter (voluntary) is similar to that of murder, however without the element of malice aforethought. While manslaughter is not justified, the circumstances under which an individual commits an intentional killing often mitigate the homicide.
In order for prosecutors to prove the charge of voluntary manslaughter, he/she must prove three elements beyond a reasonable doubt.

Elements of manslaughter:

1. That the defendant caused the death of the deceased victim, that the deceased individual died as a result of the defendant's action.
   
   
2. That the defendant either:
   1. intended to kill the victim
   2. intended to do great bodily harm to the victim,
   3. created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high, knowing that as a result of the defendant's actions he or she knew that serious harm or death would likely result.
3. That the defendant caused the death of the victim without justification or lawful excuse.

Involuntary manslaughter occurs when an individual kills another person without intent, or unintentionally. The criminal penalties for involuntary manslaughter are as severe as those for voluntary manslaughter.

 

Still curious how far the bullying went to push this kid over the edge? No excuses. But if they’re going to try to blame the parents for involuntary manslaughter, might want to also look at the students who put this kid into a state where he felt he needed to kill them?

I was bullied mercilessly in grade school, had access to guns and never thought for a second about such a solution, because I had good parents.

Obviously deeper issues with this kid, and the signs were there. But bullying to point someone wants revenge like this, is no laughing matter.

 

This is a really good point. If one is willing to prosecute the parents, why isn't one also willing to prosecute the bullies with manslaughter? Why isn't one willing to prosecute the schoolteachers and administrators with manslaughter who knew of the actions and mindset of the killer before the incident occurred?

 

Except the gun was never locked up. If it was, he wouldn't have had it. His father told the 911 operator that he took it from a drawer.

 

On the 911 call the father said he took it from his drawer. Then the story changed when his lawyers got involved. These would be the same lawyers that said they were going to turn themselves in.

 

Clearly!

 

Well, this is a place for political discussion.
Right?

 

I don't see this as a "story change" necessarily. A gun lock would allow the gun to be both in the drawer and "locked". Of course I don't know what the actual state of the gun was (none of us do), just that there is a logical and internally consistent explanation for how the gun could be both 'locked' and in a drawer.

 

The videos have not been, nor do I expect they will be released to the public. Sheriff Bouchard said they have video. Lots of videos. This school was heavy monitored

 

I admire your willingness to split hairs in defense of these derelict parents.
As misguided as it is.
This "Christmas Present" was clearly not "locked" when the cretin kid committed murder.
Just sayin'

 

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