Omicron spreads mostly among vaccinated

How does natural immunity work in keeping the virus from entering the body aka getting infected? Some kind of shield around the body maybe?

PS. The current spike in US is not Omnicrom, it is mostly the old virus. This could change, but so far only 1 in 5 is Omnicrom.

People are falling for the "more common in the vaccinate than unvaccinated" line not realizing that majority of people are vaccinated, so its common sense the same ratio would apply to infection rates. Who gets sick is far more relevant, and can also be used to show the vaccine works, since its mostly the unvaccinated who get sick. I can only hope they don't trigger another economic problem.

 

DeSantis; “The name of the game is to keep Floridans out of hospitals”

Thus, the question is; Will Omicron be a “Hospitalizer”?

Answer; Prior to a Delta surge in the U.S., and according to UK’s stats, said virus was less deadly than original Covid and other variants. Well, guess what?.....Florida’s Delta Wave increased the State’s Case Fatality Rate from 1.5% to 1.7%.

Thus, if Omicron becomes a Hospitalizer in the US, which group of infected people will most likely be hospitalized/be put on ventilators/be admitted in ICUs?

Intelligent answer; Vaccinated VERSUS the unvaccinated, most likely, the unvaccinated.

 

if you have 10 people, 9 vaccinated and 1 not, and expose them all to covid, 90% of those that get it will be the vaccinated, they were 88% vaccinated, thus makes sense those numbers - this is just spin by the anti-vaxxers, nothing more

 

I can’t believe we’ve had Covid vaccines for a year and people still don’t understand how they or naturally acquired immunity prevent infection. I guess you listen to the garbage information from public health officials and the media. Only people with no knowledge of the subject use strawman arguments like shields around bodies. LOL. Naturally acquired immunity and vaccines prevent infection identically—mainly through neutralization of virons before they are able to attach to the cells in your respiratory tract and infect them by inserting their RNA into the cell.

There is an innate immunity component as well that can prevent infection through natural killer cells etc. but that’s another subject entirely so we won’t go there now.

The part of my post you deleted from your quote explains the difference between natural immunity and vaccination that could be the cause of more vaccinated testing positive than non vaccinated for Omicron variants. It’s because even though natural immunity nor vaccination are as likely to stop infection, those with natural immunity are more likely to have a more robust cellular immunity component against Omicron leading to a higher percentage of asymptomatic and undetectable infections compared to breakthrough infections in the vaccinated.

The wild card is how recently an individual has had a booster. If it’s very recent, that individual is probably less likely to be INFECTED than an individual with one previous infection but no vaccination. As time since last booster increases, the odds of vaccinated vs. natural immunity preventing infection equalizes. But the only way a vaccinated or unvaccinated individual can acquire memory B cells (long lived plasma cells) that are highly adapted to target new variants is through natural infection or finding a vaccine manufactured specifically for a variant.

I know it’s hard to accept all this when the foundation of your understanding of immunology is a lie of falsehood and omission. But I don’t see any value in believing false information even if it makes you feel good. It’s better to accept reality so you can make better decisions on how to protect yourself.

Yes more vaccinated people makes for more breakthrough infections. Simple logic. But that’s also a strawman because I have not and will not make that argument. My argument is based on the facts of immunology and the limitations of our tests.

 

That’s a fine strawman you have built! Congratulations. That’s two PF members who have built identical strawmen.

Immunity is not that simple. Sorry. If you want to ignore the facts even though they are nuanced, that’s your prerogative.

If course you are always welcome to present evidence natural infection does not provide more mature memory B cells than vaccination….nah…you will stick to strawman fallacy I bet.

 

So you’re arguing that the unvaccinated are less likely to spread it because they’re irresponsible? Sure…. Not wearing masks, chanting let’s go Brandon in various crowds across the United States is now some sort of weird omicron anti viral.

 

Your Quote; I guess you listen to garbage information from publicly health officials and the media.

AND public officials; “I’ve been taking Hydroxy and Zinc to PREVENT an infection”

Tell me 557, what was your response when Trump stated the above?

My response; He’s a fool!

 

In addition to the above, LET’S BE HONEST.....I’ve spewed Covid info that turned out to be garbage, everyone did.

 

Anti-vaxxers aren’t too bright, for example;

They’ve been chanting “PCR tests are obsolete, and simultaneously, promoting/affirming a “99.5% survival rate”.

Well, attention below average intelligent people; Covid19’s mortality rate/survival rate are based on Lab confirmed cases and deaths, and several types of test, PCR included.

Thus, if PCR tests have been/are obsolete, what’s the accuracy of Covid’s mortality rate/SURVIVAL RATE?

 

I don’t remember making any response. I wouldn’t take any advice on virology from Trump. I have numerous times pointed out how ignorant of science Trump is. His statements on Covid are as dumb as Biden’s. Like Biden saying he would increase testing 7 fold if elected.

You have to remember Trump and Biden aren’t educated on epidemiology or virology. Public health officials are. Statements from politicians are to be laughed at. Mis/disinformation from public health officials is serious business.

“But Trump” arguments are not interesting to me and are fallacious to boot. I’ll mock Biden’s ignorance just like Trump’s, but my rebukes are reserved for educated public health officials that give disinformation knowing it’s false.

Trump was not a public health official. That may come as a surprise, but it’s a fact.

 

That exact outcome was predicted last year by Dr. Malone, Luc Montagnier and many other dissenting medical scientists.

 

Bottom line; Intelligent people arrive at better conclusions, for example;

In reference to arguments in favour of allowing Covid to run it’s course largely unchecked/unmanaged, here was my conclusion;


Attention pro-natural Immunity believers;

Stop promoting a strategy that is politically not implementable in the U.S., especially during an election year.

 

The fact is, PCR tests return a lot of false negatives. (Antigen tests return even more false negatives.) This means the number of actual infections is much greater than the official case counts. So the actual survival rate is higher than the officially reported numbers based on case fatality rates. The real survival rate would need to be based on the infection fatality rate and we don’t have that number because we aren’t identifying/counting a lot of infections. We don’t have the tools to do so.

But the bottom line is, the survivability rate of Covid is higher than officially reported.

And none of this has ANYTHING to do with being pro or anti vax. It’s just a fact.

 

The strawmen are thick as flies on a bull’s rump around here on Sunday mornings. Nothing I have EVER posted on natural infection acquired immunity advocated for letting infections run wild. LOL

Remember, I’m the guy who advocates for mitigations that actually PREVENT infection. Like masking where infection is most likely instead of where infection is least likely. And building an immune system that can prevent Covid infection in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. Of course the “muh rights” crowd that is in denial of being a “muh rights” crowd isn’t interested in mitigations that actually work in a systems approach.

What is a natural infection believer? I believe the facts about natural infection. That it is common. It is good. It has some advantages to vaccine induced immunity. It will end up being the major component of whatever level of herd immunity we achieve because it will be the major effective component of hybrid immunity which nearly every vaccinated person will acquire eventually. Very soon if the reports on Omicron are correct. We should be thankful for the benefits of natural immunity.

 

For your info, whether accurate or not, all reported Covid cases, Hospitalizations, and deaths in Florida were lab confirmed.

On July 1st, 2021, thus, prior to Florida’s first Lab confirmed Delta Case, FL’s Department of Health reported a Case Fatality Rate of 1.5%, and their last weekly report showed a CFR if 1.7%

Question; Was Florida’s Delta Wave deadlier than their original Covid Wave?

My answer; According to Florida’s Hospital Association daily/weekly reports, most likely deadlier.....FHA’s Delta percentages of hospitalized patients on ventilators/in ICUs were significantly higher than original Covid.

 

Hearsay.
What makes you think your argument is any more valid than an argument from a conspiracy nut claiming vaccines contain computer chips?

 

Based on logic!

XYZ nation has an obesity Rate of 10%, a low senior population rate, and a low comorbidity rate.

Question; Compared to the U.S., which nation most likely has a lower Case Fatality Rate?

ONCE AGAIN,

..........based on Florida Hospital Association’s reported percentages of Covid hospitalized patients on ventilators and in ICUs, Original Covid VERSUS Delta

...........based on Florida’s Health reported Case Fatality Rate, before and after their first Delta Lab confirmed case,

MY CONCLUSION; Florida’s Delta Variant Wave was most likely deadlier than their original Covid Wave

Question; Why I keep saying “most likely”?

Answer; Because I can’t confirm nor deny the numbers that were reported by both Florida Health and FHA.

Last question; Do you have a degree in Philosophy? If so, prove it.

Note; I can’t confirm nor deny that you actually have a degree in philosophy, and if you show me a certificate/Diploma, I may label it as a FAKE

 

NO!!!! It very clearly DOES NOT prevent symptoms!! Seriously, wtf. You think all those vaxed positive tests are coming because people are just regularly testing without symptom? Puleeese!

 

I live in Florida and things are not that cut and dry. This state has distinctly different climate than other states or majority of first world nations. It looks like Florida has its own schedule of rising and falling infection rates and I think temperature, humidify, air, and even the sun play a role in how the virus spreads. I didn’t agree with progressives in July when they claimed we have a spike because of “low vaccination rates” (which was actually on par with national average), but I’m also not running around saying that because the infection rate in Florida is so low now then it’s an absolute sign that DeSantis defeated covid.

What does philosophy have to do with this?

 

F-Bombs dont make your arguments stronger. Maybe not 'prevent', as in 100%, but rather 'minimize' and it working as designed.

 

How will he do that? Close Florida borders?

 

Well, at least he is not interfering with our lives. He was first to make Regeneron easily available. Anyone in Florida who takes the covid test and receives positive results receives a link with information on how to schedule an appointment and get the treatment. I’m speaking from personal experience - when it was my time, only 2.5 hours passed between the time when I got the positive result and the time I was getting Regeneron injections.
That mitigation is enough in my eyes. Everyone here knows where to get the vaccines and everyone who tests positive is alerted about the treatment. IMHO, this is the best approach to dealing with covid.
I’ll vote for him when the time comes.

 

I don’t have any interest in whether reported cases are lab confirmed. I’m referring to cases that are not REPORTED because the case was never tested or because the case was tested but returned a false negative.

Was delta more lethal in Florida than alpha or wild type by measuring CFR?Meh. Couldn’t care less.

CFR is a pretty meaningless metric at the end of the day. IFR is what matters.

 

Ah, so you don't have an issue with injections as long as you political leader recommends it.

Most people who test positive just isolate themselves and see what happens. Most are ok, but if they get seriously sick, they go to the
hospital, but I guess you start taking injections right away and then praise the governor for not getting sick.

 

I stated numerous times that my issue with mRNA and viral vector vaccines lies in the fact that long term impact is not know.
If you pick 5-10 papers published about monoclonal antibodies from the times before covid you’ll notice that pretty much all of them mention an observation that monoclonal antibodies induce lifetime immunity against their targeted pathogens. Monoclonal antibodies have been around for quite a while and they were used to successfully treat numerous other conditions (unlike the vaccine platforms that I mentioned). So, to me, Regeneron was the safest targeted mitigation against covid that has science and history to it, therefore no reason to be afraid of something that was already studied against other non-controversial pathogens and had plenty of time passed since this platform was introduced into medicine.
I didn’t take Regeneron because DeSantis told me. I took it because I read about monoclonal antibodies in the past and DeSantis made it easy to get, for which he absolutely does deserve credit, especially if one where to read about the hoops someone needs to go through in other states to get them.