what should we do about the situation in ukraine?

is a corrupt failed state on the fringes of siberia worth world war iii ?

what would trump do?

 

Step one... Biden needs to be quite... it is not a Trump problem.

 

Russia already has the largest land mass of any country on earth, with a population less than half of ours, they need more land like a hole in the head.

 

…and the assurance that a Russian conquest would stop with Ukraine and other countries salivating to make conquests of their own like China over Taiwan would not be emboldened into doing just that…is where exactly?

Since you mention WWIII you might want to check out how the last WW started…you might be surprised to learn that your strategy is exactly what kicked it off

 

Let Russia take Dombass, meanwhile add more missiles to western Ukraine

 

Show a united front. Stop the cheap shots.

 

Further arm the Ukrainians. Make it as costly for Russia as possible. However, ultimately the Ukraine is not a member of NATO and the Russians outnumber them about ten to one. The Russians already has more troops on the border than Ukraine has. The Ukraine is relatively flat and well suited to mechanized warfare. It is not like Afghanistan which tied up Russia for decades.

After that about all we can do is make Russia pay a high price economically.

 

Ukraine gave up nukes for security assurances, so defending them is an obligation of the US. There are many misconceptions about Ukraine out there that arose during 1990’s. They are not that poor anymore, middle class significantly improved and almost all residents can afford reasonable meals, rent, a cell phone and a used car.
I was born and raised in Ukraine, so I know quite a bit about what’s going on on the ground there.
I think Russia should be told to mind its own business, but Ukraine should also be told that NATO is a not a good place for it. Neutrality of that country is in its constitution and it would be best if the US pretty much told Russia that Ukraine has no place in NATO, but Ukraine should absolutely have the right to join EU, if invited, give EU trading preferences over Russia, and buy any weapons from western countries without objections from Russia.

 

Population-wise it’s about 3 to 1.
Armed forces headcount is about 4 to 1.

 

Trump gave arms and training to the Ukrainian military. Trump would wish them luck and keep our troops home.

Ukraine accepted security guarantees from Russia and the US in exchange for giving up its nukes. You can't fix that kind of stupid.

https://www.uainfocus.org/post/how-ukraine-gave-up-its-nuclear-weapons-and-why-it-can-t-restore-it

 

A Russian invasion of Ukraine could easily become a disaster for Russia unless the Ukrainians are counting on the USG to save them.

 

I was looking primarily at the budget. $5.4 billion for the Ukraine and $61.7 billion for Russia.

 

The short version -- if Russia is forced to stand-down at this point, it will only (ONLY) be as a result of Ukraine being immediately brought into NATO as a full member -- period! Anything short of that will be ineffective. That is the reality of the situation.

It would best, IMHO, if the United States stayed out of this 'family' squabble that the Russians and their 'first-cousins' in Ukraine have going right now, but we won't... mainly because central banks in 'the West' (the 'Fed', the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, et al) and their propped-up International Monetary Fund, are desperate to take Russia (and China) down before the U. S. Dollar loses its status as the world's 'reserve currency', mostly due to irresponsibly destructive policies practiced by those same central banks....

Whether Biden likes it or not, he's drawn a 'red line' on the borders of Ukraine, and now he's got Blinken over there trying to find a way to get out, or, all the way in. The UK and Germany would have to be rock-solid, totally dependable, engaged NATO allies if we tangle with Russia -- and only AFTER Ukraine is brought in as a full NATO member! I put the chances of all of that falling ideally into place for us at about 30%, at best.

Hint: the Brits are in total disarray right now, and, the Germans really don't want any part of fighting Russians a thousand miles away from home in the winter. It didn't turn out so good for them the last time they tried it....

 

i like the neutrality idea a lot.

 

what we should do is give americans another stimulus check. Buys lots of spinning plates.

 

If Trump Had Greenlighted Russia To Invade Ukraine Like Biden Just Did, He’d Be Accused Of Corruption.

After Wednesday’s press conference, the Kremlin likely sees little risk to invading its western neighbor.​

Then his paid liars engaged in clean up.

Clint Eastwood was right about Biden

 

We could play hardball, and declare that any attack upon Ukraine by Russia would be viewed as an attack by Russia upon the USA.

 

Yes it’s worth a war. Do you know how many pipelines go through there? There is a reason they want Ukraine and it’s so they can have that much more of a monopoly on natural gas. If NATO doesn’t stand up to this you see Europeans (our trading partners) pay so much for natural gas they won’t be able to afford much else.

 

Who the hell cares what Trump would do he's history.

The question is what will the moron you people voted for do.

That's the question that actually matters here.

 

Trump would have sat down with Putin, sternly asked him what it was he wanted, he would have GIVEN him everything he wanted, and Putin would have invaded anyway....

 

No its not.

Trump would do whatever his military advisers said, which is what Biden will do, which probably leads to WW3. The MIC wants a war, any war, but a war with Russia is the king of all wars, the big enchilada.

What we should do is send Ukraine enough weapons, rifles and AT4's to arm every citizen there, make it like America, and see how the Russians like trying to wade through a prarie with a rifle shooting at them from behind every blade of grass. They will take the few areas that want to be Russian and no more and that will be the end of it.

But instead we're going to do what govt always does- make the MIC richer blowing up eachothers toys for a while while the civilians run around defenseless and dying and hope no one pushes the big red button.

 

The ball is in Botox Boy's court. In the interim, we(along with NATO et al) should do everything possible, that's not overtly provocative, to dissuade him from any aggressive action.
I can appreciate Russia's position as it regards NATO but I will not trust my future or the future of my fellowman/woman in Botox Boy's little hands.

 

Trump's not president. Hasn't been president in a year.

What is the incompetent imbecile who completely ****ed-up the Afghanistan withdrawal and took orders from the Taliban gonna do? What is the same feckless invertebrate who was afraid to send two destroyers into the Black Sea on a routine deployment last year out of fear of upsetting Putler gonna do?

Biden will show Vlad the Invader the yellow streak up his back, that's what he'll do

 

Under the Budapest Memorandum of 1994, and no doubt showing the world that America's word isn't worth **** will be the icing on the cake for Putin if he decides to seize a land bridge to the Crimean peninsula.

 

Let's see, I would start with the question what would we do, if the shoe was on the other foot. Let's assume that not NATO, but the former Eastern block would be the world's dominating force, and Canada would plead with them for protection and to become a member, possibly with Eastern block warheads stationed right at the US Canada border, pointing at Washington. What would we do? Probably, we wouldn't like the situation. Heck, we almost started WWIII when Cuba had the audacity to have protection from the former Soviet Union in the form of missiles stationed in Cuba.

So, think back to how we felt during the Cuban missile crisis (threatened), is it so hard to understand that today's Russia would feel threatened by Ukraine becoming a NATO country and having NATO war heads pointed at it right from its own border?

It seems that the US foreign policy is always very hypocritical, special rights for the US, less rights for everyone else.

Now, I am not saying that Putin is a good guy (he is not), but I can understand why he doesn't want NATO in Ukraine, and that he will try his best to prevent this outcome.