US/NATO rule out halt to expansion,reject Russia demands.

The EU is an economic alliance. NATO is a defensive alliance. NATO doesn't want the Ukraine, Ukraine wants in to NATO and we're inclined to let them because the Russians think they have the right to say what alliances sovereign nations can join.

 

Two of the smallest of any nukes ever used.

Airbursts will be used, so will conventional strikes.
But let's assume MAD with airburst only: O the fallout will just float around and land somewhere else. That couldn't possibly have widespread negative effects making for necessary exclusion zones which would disrupt supply chains and other vital infrastructure exactly like what I'm talking about.

 

Again: When is the last time we used "let's unleash a plague on both our armies" as an intentional tactic?
Hint: We did it to the Indians and then we realized that was a pretty poor ****ing idea.

Machine guns do not cause the sorts of widespread, uncontrollable collateral damage that virus bombs and nukes do.
You're comparing unlike things: small arms with strategic level weaponry.

 

NATO was an alliance vs the USSR. I think that threatening to admit Ukraine in 2012-2013 was a provocative, and unnecessary move. Once we did that, we left Putin with no choice but to annex Crimea before it became NATO so as not to have Russia's access to the seas dictated by other powers.

 

The USSR is not a thing that exists anymore so one can hardly claim they are threatened. Additionally: It was a DEFENSIVE alliance.
He wasn't entitled to Crimea, that was Ukrainian sovereign territory.

 

The US isn't entitled to Panama, but let a nation put her forces there and watch us occupy it with the quickness.

 

Or, let Panama openly entertain the idea of entering a security pact with China, Russia, NK, and Iran, and watch us occupy it before it becomes a member of the pact.

 

My isn't it nice to point to things that haven't happened and just blithely assume they will?

 

"We did it to the Indians?"

Who is we white man?

 

The allegations have been made against various American colonial governments which later form the United States of America, and even against elements of the US Army later.

Are you an American citizen as I am? Then accept that our government has a history of using bio weapons.
If it makes you feel better, the British government was known to herd refugees afflicted with smallpox toward the Continental Army, so its not like we were the only ones doing that.

While you or I personally had nothing to do with it, to say our government has no history of it is silly.

 

That would be a no brainer response. If Panama was about to join an alliance in which an attack on one is an attack on all, everyone knows we would occupy it before it joined the pact.

 

Everyone does not know that. I, for instance, do not know that and I am included in "everyone".

 

The former country of Yugoslavia destroyed by NATO says "hello"

 

Ethnic cleansing Albanians, driving them in to surrounding nations, and destabilizing the region sounds like the sort of thing a defensive alliance would take issue with. Particularly since there was a cease fire brokered by Nato that the YUGOs broke prior to the NATO invasion.

Whomp whomp whomp

 

Ignoring the obvious.

 

I'm pretty certain the Serbians were guilty of destroying Yugoslavia. If you are referring to the bombings by NATO they were extremely light handed and largely ineffective.

 

Try to stay up. Slobodan Milosevic was cleared of all wrong doing (referring to genocide) by not one, but two courts...after the West poisoned him in prison.

NATO (the US) attacked and destroyed Yugoslavia.

 

Again: The serbs broke a cease fire brokered by NATO, that was incepted by the wholesale slaughtering of Albanians.
You can say it didn't happen, but I knew an Albanian who was present in Kosovo during the hostilities and he sure as **** thought they were ethnic cleansing.
I guess if the Hague says he was ok then its all good right?
Come off it, you sound like the Turks talking about Armenia

 

Prove it. By linking to a source that supported the NATO attacks on Yugoslavia. Because the only sources with credibility are those making statements against interest.

 

This is all self-hate stuff. I wonder how long we can exist as a society when we loath ourselves.
Even in Cambridge now they teach students that the British were at least as bad as Nazis.
Incredible - the same British Left that called Stalin 'Uncle Joe' and resisted the war against
Hitler & Stalin in 1939 now calls Britain Fascist - it's Fruedian really.
Small Pox spread out of Africa and consumed about a billion lives - black, white and brown lives.
You have a better case of accusing Indians of giving white man tobacco (one billion deaths by
the end of this century) than of white man giving Indians small pox - no-one even knew what it
was - some thought it was from 'bad vapors.'

 

Well fill me in. When did the United States unleash a plague on Indians?

 

You need to take a long deep breath dude.
I don't hate my nation: That doesn't mean I'm going to gloss over what the Trail of Tears was, or other actions taken by my nation's government.
I'm not going to argue with you about small pox being intentionally used to advantage by belligerents, its a matter of public record and you know it.
That you can't admit it, and that you think that those who can engage in 'self hate stuff' is so silly I'm not sure how to address it.

 

https://www.nativeteachingaids.com/cfd-blog/2020/7/24/smallpox-blankets

Amherst, a British commander during the revolution, started the trend and hangs himself in his own letters describing his deeds.
He's British of course so doesn't count as USGOV, however:
From that point forward, numerous nations report receiving a gift of some type with a blanket wrapping it, and then catching the pox.
https://web.stanford.edu/dept/HPS/MayorSmallpox.pdf
^ here is a lovely article pointing out that the term itself, small pox blanket, is used as a term of art and can be traced to the documented instances of germ warfare by blanket, Amherst being a classic example, but several others including the US military mentioned.
While its clear that every tale cannot be true, it is likewise clear that more than one documented instance occurred.

 

You ignore the obvious.

 

Your reply is more or less exactly what I was expecting. The OG smallpox-blanket story is British commander Amherst suggesting the idea in a letter. No evidence that he actually did it. And of course, this was in 1763. Amherst was British, so I'm unclear why America gets the blame for Brit hijinks. The hate-America crowd hates America so much that they blame it for ideas of a British military commander, before there was even an America. So great job.

I suppose you also blame America for the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs?