BLM wants your family to be "disrupted"?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    countless examples of black people having commited NO crimes, being treated like criminals.'

    by cops. by society in general.

    fix that.

    unarmed black people, shot and killed by cops. often doing no crime.

    fix that.
     
  2. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think that occurs on anywhere near the level they try to imply. I will say that when you make your color represent bad conduct, society becomes more inclined to expect that from them before the fact.
    Thus- the very fact that the conduct of blacks is well outside the average and to the downside, it becomes a kind of handicap for all blacks- and no law can change that. Not deserved individually, but as a group, it's rational.

    As an employer for example- IF every black person I hired turned out to be an excellent choice, I'd be looking for more black people. If they all turned out to be bad choices, I'd be likely to avoid hiring black people. That isn't racism, it's relevance to what the likely result of the choice is. I can't understand why the solid citizens of the black community continue to tolerate the desecration of that community by it's own people.
    I understand not wanting to condemn or criticize your own race, but so long as the behavior discrepancies continue, the color will be symbolic of that conduct. Outside efforts can't fix that- black people have to raise the bar of acceptance.

    I won't get into the statistics that back this up, other than to say they are extensive and consistent, clearly represent the issues for the black community, and they demonstrate a huge negative gap between the conduct score of blacks to all other races. Criminal, social, personal- across the board, it's there in reliable data and it's been consistent for a very long time. Only the black community can change that. It's not a problem of potential, it's a problem of performance, Outside actions can't do that for them- they will have to deal with that from within. As the old saying about leading a horse to water, you can't force that to happen.
    Unfortunately, the best of the black community will still have to deal with the perceptions created by the worst. That should be- motivation to fix that issue rather than demands that the world excuse and ignore it; and that is precisely what BLM is about.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i guess you dont know many black people.

    i cant tell you how many stories i have heard from black people about them being mistreated by police.

    although I do know one story, where the cop got fired, cause the innocent black man he decided to put on the ground and put his foot on his neck, was an Assistant DA. Oops.
     
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    The DA, well there's a good chance he is part of the problem, not saying it was right mind you! But I bet he works harder to punish the cop then he will reforming the reputation of all the thugs, drug addics and criminals that officer has to deal with day after day.. Cops lives matter too ;)
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so rather than attack the ******* cop for throwing down an innocent black man, you attack the black man.

    figures.
     
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    no. it doesn't.

    people forced by bad luck or tragedy to live in nuclear or single parent families seem capable of meeting others to create new extended families.
     
  7. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The nuclear family not only goes back thousands of years- it is the structure that built this nation.
    Extended family is part of nuclear family. What BLM wants it to make everyone entitled to the "family" support- from families they aren't part of biologically or by contribution or conduct.
    That is- A CON. Families sometimes have to exclude members of their own because they are abusive and use others. You damn sure don't invite people to be part of your family when that is their motive.
    They have their own families- and IF they kept that relationship and family sound- they wouldn't be looking to profit by destroying the families or structure of others.
    This is like- "I screwed up mine, so now I get to screw up yours".

    The half-assed "tribal" mindset of those who back this has failed to work for them- so their answer is to blame it on those whose systems work? Of course. It's white mans fault....
    People who fail to support the family they are part of- aren't entitled to the benefits of that family, nor the society of families who do- and that is exactly what BLM wants- to share equally in benefits, but not be required to share in productivity or duties of a solid structure, be it family, community, society, or law. Invite the George Floyd's of the world to dinner, because no matter what his conduct his, he deserves endless chances at everything.
     
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    If you are talking about Brown, what the policeman did was obviously wrong. However, prior to that, Brown had resisted arrest. In nearly every one of the cases where the black man was killed, it was preceded by resisting arrest.

    When someone resists arrest, it elevates the encounter with police to a whole new level which ends up putting everyone in danger including the police, the person being arrested and innocent bystanders. The rhetoric we hear all too often is that the police need reformed. That may be true, but so does the black community which practically instructs the blacks to resist.
     
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    if cops showed black people just a little bit more benefit of the doubt, a lot of these resisting arrest incidents would not happen.

    but too often, cops just assume "black person= crime being commited"
     
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    It is a vicious circle. The cops are wary of the blacks because they are much more likely to resist arrest and the blacks are wary of the cops because they are treated differently.

    I have repeated this statistic many times, but it is worth repeating. Blacks kill about as many blacks as whites kill whites, but they do it with about one seventh the population. Blacks rarely kill whites and whites rarely kill blacks. Conclusion: Blacks do tend to be more violent than whites and tend to break the law more often.
     
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    Are they resisting arrest? Going for the gun? Acting erratic and dangerous? Each individual moment has to be treated and inspected on its own.

    It's not a coincidence that every moment you bring to the table as an evidence of police brutality ends up being completely reasonable behavior by the police dealing with what is an intense situation.

    And then to make matters worse you take this false narrative and you end up rioting and destroying property harming people's lives all over something that you've invented.

    You need to fix that because nobody is on your side whenever this s*** comes to light
     
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  12. Ronstar

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    i know cops have a very hard job.

    blacks have a higher crime rate on average than whites.

    cops know this, and unfortunately too often assume the black person they encounter is committing a crime.

    cops have to try to find a way to give people the benefit of the doubt and treat them with respect and courtesy, regardless of the statistics.

    if they cant do that, then they should not be able to shoot someone simply because they felt threatened.

    with great power and authority, must come great responsibility.
     
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    This is straight from the Marxist canon. The nuclear family stands in direct opposition to the objectives of authoritarian statism.
     
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    How about we try to teach the blacks to treat law enforcement with respect and courtesy. It goes both ways.
     
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    ""Black Villages is the disruption of Western nuclear family dynamics and a return to the ‘collective village’ that takes care of each other," the starter kit reads. "Globalism is our ability to see how we are impacted or privileged within the Black global family that exists across the world in different regions.""

    so it's to see how black people are privileged to live here compared to the black global family across the world?

    what is wrong with that, we are all privileged to grow up in the USA
     
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    agree, but why not teach whites that too, and cops to treat citizens with respect and courtesy
     
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    we should do both.

    blacks in poor high crime areas should be taught to cooperate with police.

    police need to be taught to give black people the benefit of the doubt, and not as all criminals
     
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    sorry to inform you, but extended families were the norm in america until the baby boom.
     
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    black girls and boys need strong responsible male and female role models.

    doesnt matter if its dad, mom, aunt, uncle.
     
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    Like I said, reputation is everything today Ron :(
     
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    when you have a group that is causing the majority of the crimes and every crime reported over the radio ends up fitting the description of a specific group...how the **** do you parse that?

    "suspect is described as black, male...dark hoody...yadda yadda"

    You have put forth no thought on this subject. You are just spouting virtue.
     
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    Obviously, you believe everything you hear that supports what you want to believe.

    I've known black people all my life, many quite well. I've hire them, employed them, been friends with them- see excellence; and seen trash. The problem is the percentage that are trash, not the color. It's the conduct that gives the color it's reputation.

    One black family I knew well had put all four kids through college, and we have had some open racial discussions. One of the ways they succeeded with those kids was to keep them away from the influence of the trash- and they had no problem defining the difference between a black man and that other terms we're not supposed to say. They intentionally embraced the nuclear family concept and kept the disruptive, corrupting influences away from their kids.

    I also worked in a situation where the management of a major federally funded project was black- and those it benefited were black. Not a respectable person in the lot, and that relationship lasted 6 months, involved millions of dollars and involved dozens of black people.... All seeking something for nothing or power to the exclusion of non-blacks.

    But you don't want to know about such things, right?
     
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    i bet almost all criminals in Kenya are black.

    does that mean Kenyan police should not still try damn hard to treat everyone with respect and benefit of the doubt?
     
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    i guess you have given up on the discussion, and have chosen to instead just attack me
     
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    We are not IN Kenya, are we? If the suspect is black...you can scratch Asian and White and Mexican off the list of suspects. If the suspect is wearing a dark hoody and you look around and you see a bunch of young black men wearing -dark hoodies- that were in the area...you have to be suspicious.

    Or you are just simply not doing your ****ing job.

    Only with some ****ed up twisted logic would Ronstar the cop equally be suspicious of everyone -because he doesn't want to be racist- instead of following the description.

    Jesus H Christ.
     
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