Sandy Hook families settle for $73M with gun maker Remington

Sandy Hook families settle for $73M with gun maker Remington - The San Diego Union-Tribune (sandiegouniontribune.com)

This is a game changers and Grats anti gunners! So if you have the money, and interested in a AR15 style weapon you might consider purchasing one or more as the price and availability will change from here on out.. Same thing with magazines too!

I dropped a dime and bought one this morning and it will never leave the box! And I'm thinking of buying another one as they will surely increase in value and rarity after this judgment!

 

I was just coming on to post this.

As you say, it may be a game changer.

Wondering where the money will come from as the Remington company of that time does not exist today.

 

Crappy that PLCAA didn't squash this, but anyways, remember there's always the DIY option: DEFCAD

 

Maybe they "Whoever" take on all liability, someone, is ponying up the money!

 

Pretty sure Remington is out of business and bankrupt before this verdict. So the settlement is with who exactly? I guess some insurance company who will pass the cost along to others. Meanwhile, in the liberal run cities the violent crime continues unabated.

 

Good to have insurance Thanks Richard..

 

Can families of overdose victims sue Mexico for the drugs the allow to come into this country?

 

Or big Pharma for opioid addiction and death from overdose?

Excellent point Steve. It will set precedent and open a huge can of worms! How about the makers of ammo, bullets, casings, primers and for those that like hyperbolism "the lumber mills that supply the wood to make the stocks"

 

Families of victims killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have reached an agreement to settle a lawsuit against the company that made the murder weapon, for $73 million.

"These nine families have shared a single goal from the very beginning: to do whatever they could to help prevent the next Sandy Hook. It is hard to imagine an outcome that better accomplishes that goal," said Josh Koskoff, an attorney for the victims' families, in a statement on Tuesday.

According to Koskoff's law firm, Remington's four insurers have all agreed to pay the full amount of coverage available, which is the $73 million total. The gun-maker filed for bankruptcy in 2020, and its assets were sold off.

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"This victory should serve as a wake-up call not only to the gun industry, but also the insurance and banking companies that prop it up," Koskoff said. "For the gun industry, it's time to stop recklessly marketing all guns to all people for all uses and instead ask how marketing can lower risk rather than court it. For the insurance and banking industries, it's time to recognize the financial cost of underwriting companies that elevate profit by escalating risk. Our hope is that this victory will be the first boulder in the avalanche that forces that change."

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/15/1080819088/sandy-hook-victims-families-settlement-remington

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Could the families of the little victims of the Sandy Hook shooting have found a way to implement a gun control measure by attacking the manufacturers?

That seems to be a very promising avenue.

Manufacturers can now be held responsible for the damage their products cause.

Thoughts ?

 

I don't see how. That would be like holding forward liable for that dude that rammed that SUV through the Christmas parade in Kenosha.

What is anybody but the murderer liable for the murder?

This is exactly what you said it was a backhanded dishonest attempt to steal rights from people.

 

So an insurance company settled out of court for a bankrupt client with no assets? Meh. There was no win on the merits of the case here.

Prepping to read all the lawsuits filed against GM, Ford, and all the other auto makers.

 

That's not what I said.

Learn to read.

 

Clearly, you are not a lawyer.

GM, Ford and others don't build things that have the sole purpose of killing.

 

Clearly you didn’t read your own link and the information YOU provided. Here, I’ll quote the pertinent parts from YOUR post:


According to Koskoff's law firm, Remington's four insurers have all agreed to pay the full amount of coverage available, which is the $73 million total. The gun-maker filed for bankruptcy in 2020, and its assets were sold off.

Here’s more from the article you didn’t read:

Now, that suit has come to a close. "The plaintiffs in this action hereby give Notice that a settlement agreement has been executed between the parties," read a Tuesday filing from attorneys representing the estates of people killed in the shooting.

Jury selection in the 7-year-old case was set to begin this September. But now, according to the filing signed by Koskoff, there's a request for a hearing to have the case withdrawn.



Auto manufacturers make items that kill more people per year than are murdered where the murder weapon was a gun. They have zero liability for misuse of their vehicle by a drunk driver, as they should. Just as gun manufacturers are not responsible for people using guns illegally.

 

Neither did Remington. There are various sporting organizations arranged entirely around many types of punching holes in paper at assorted distances with Remington (and their competitors') products: Long range competitions, 3-gun matches, IDPA, etc. All in good fun, nobody nor nothing need be killed.

"Sole purpose of killing" is sure sign of ignorance.

 

No nearly enough and should be to ALL the Death Merchants and their accomplices. How much should WalMart be paying?

On to Alex Jones, he should be regaling his fellows in the prison showers about how they are all victims of liberal frogs.

A Sandy Hook in Australia resulted in actual SANE gun control, but then Australia is like Canada; America without the craziness.

 

Yes it is. You mentioned gun control and gun control is stealing rights from people.

 

When people are killed because of a construction defect in a car, the manufacturer is held responsible.

Here, Remington was convicted because it allowed its AR-15s to be sold to anyone and advertised them as such.

For gun manufacturers, this judgment has changed that.

 

This settlement is unexpected, and welcome, news. However, I don't think one can extrapolate, regarding future cases, to anywhere near the degree to which you appear to want. The salient points, here, begin with the company being in bankrupcy-- how the hell does that happen to an established gun-maker?-- and that this is a settlement, not a judgement. The amount of that settlement, which does not seem a tremendous amount, for most gun-makers, to settle 9 cases (about $8 million, each). But, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, it is not Remington, which is PAYING the settlement but, rather, it's insurers. As you quoted the article explaining, this is the maximum of Remington's liability insurance. So one MIGHT speculate that the insurers thought it was worth it, in the long run, to distance their 4 names from the Sandy Hook incident, and from the reputation of being unwilling to pay the victims of this high-profile event; if one factors in what their combined, future legal expenses were likely to be, to continue resisting any settlement of these claims, it appears an even more reasonable, fiscal decision. That said, this DOES set a precedent, at any rate.

Part of the story that caught my eye, as future ammunition, in the fight for assault rifle regulation, was the mentioning of bankrupt Remington's INTERNAL DOCUMENTS, now going to be MADE PUBLIC.

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According to Koskoff's law firm, Remington's four insurers have all agreed to pay the full amount of coverage available, which is the $73 million total. The gun-maker filed for bankruptcy in 2020, and its assets were sold off.

Thousands of pages of internal Remington company documents can also now be made public, according to Koskoff's law firm.

 

Ark, I agree with you that the Sandy Hook murders were horrific. Much like my shock that so many (what I believed were) law-abiding citizens somehow flipped the switch on the value and importance of our country's law enforcement officers, I was heartbroken the Sandy Hook murders did not move the 2As enough to address what is clearly a problem in our nation.

However, I with that said, I understand @Sage3030's comments on the matter. Your argument that this is somehow different because the *tools* used in this tragedy are specifically designed to kill is not a legal standing and this precedent clearly opens the door to...

1. Deepening the divide between 2As and their opponents,

2. It removes personal responsibility seemingly for the purpose of going after the ones with the deepest pockets,

3. Causing a domino-effect for all companies that exist that manufacture products that are "solely for the purpose of killing."


For examples...

* Military weapons and equipment.
* Herbicides, pesticides, poisons.
* Cigarettes and tobacco products.
* Viruses and bacteria (designed by nature, but historically used as genocide weapons).
* Viruses (electronic)

Etc.


Further, this case begs the question..."Why aren't all the companies and people *between* the weapon manufacturer and the killer not also legally responsible and culpable in this tragedy?"

* The retailers where the gun was purchased.
* The reset (people that build plan-o-grams for product displays) company(ies).
* The school, officials and faculty.
* The lock manufacturers for all the doors the killer used to get inside the building.
* The flooring manufacturers (the killer couldn't reach his victims if the floor wasn't there).
* The window manufacturers (the killer couldn't hold his weapons if he had to use a flashlight or lantern too).
* The telephone systems (the police could arrived faster if calls connected quicker).

See how this runaway train makes no sense?

The person/persons responsible for these murders are the killer and the people that made access to weapons and ammunition possible. Someone neglected their personal and parental responsibility and someone else used that window of opportunity to commit a crime. That's it.

 

Right.

But the door is now open for other victims of killings to sue the manufacturers.

Whether they or their insurance companies pay for it doesn't change much.

If manufacturers can no longer insure themselves because they are too big a risk for insurers, they will eventually have to change their marketing because they will no longer be solvent.

73 million $ may not be a lot of money, but if other victims' groups join together to sue, considering the phenomenal amount of deaths per gun in the US, it could become a financially untenable situation for the manufacturers.

 

Be interesting to see where they put the money.

Maybe they will donate some to help people with mental health problem get the help they need. Preferably before someone in the family allows them access to firearms.

 

There is nothing good that can come from this.

Obesity and the subsequent conditions that follow are the leading cause of death. Companies selling forks are liable.

 

GM, Ford, etc. don't build things that I have a Constitutional right to own.