IS PUTIN SANE?

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  1. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say it wasn't noteworthy. I asked why is it noteworthy?

    I'm not going on a fishing expedition for any post(s). I will read it if you link to it. That's all I'm willing to do.

    P.S. You are aware that you are condemning people that don't have the same reaction you do to world events, right?
     
  2. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well that is the kind of thing that is either self- evident or...I guess, or it just ain't.


    I did link it. At the bottom of the post (which is now the 2nd to last post, of the first page).

    Why would I be "aware of," something, which I consider to be a patently false statement?


    I "condemned," no one;
    In other words:
     
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    Is he sane? Most likely. Is he paranoid? Can you name me a Russian leader who wasn't?
    He watches our broadcast. He watched the debacle in Afghanistan.

    He watched Biden decide on not upholding the agreement to leave in May with the Taliban for a 9/11 photo op.
    He watched Biden evacuate our air support in Afghanistan 30 days prior to evacuating the embassy and troops
    He watched Biden have to make a midnight emergency evacuation leaving Americans and equipment behind.
    He watched Biden sneak off on vacation right after he ordered the evacuation to the point he was held in contempt by Parliament for not taking their emergency calls as they had no clue what was going on and Biden just ignored our allies
    He watched the Taliban order Biden out by the end of August of which Biden complied, leaving Americans behind, right after Biden made his speech that he wouldn't leave until all Americans are out.
    He watched Bidens mission target and kill a family of 10 with the failed drone strike.
    He watched the left leaning media call Biden incompetent in their news broadcast. That was a first.
    He watched the broadcast about Milley contacting China to give them a heads up first if American is going to attack.
    He watched the Jan 6 riots
    He watched the utter confusion, disorder, and split of Americans in this country for the last 5 years

    So is it possible Putin has every reason to believe Biden and his military staff are incompetent with no idea how to handle a military operation?
    Is it possible Putin has no fear what so ever of a Biden retaliation?

    Did Putin not get his answer when Biden hosted his limited sanctions targeting a pair of Russian banks, VEB and Promsvyazbank, and five Russian oligarchs with ties to the Kremlin.

    Make no mistake about it. Putin will take Ukraine and their isn't a damn thing he is worried about for the Biden administration. Our leaders are weak, incompetent, and unwilling to take a stand. We are in the absolute worst position as a country in the entire history of this country. And everyone knows it.

    Well, everyone not in the United States
     
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  4. MJ Davies

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    Def, I'm not doing this. You get too <whatever the hell it is> and I'm not doing it. Please go find somebody else to nag to death. I'm exhausted.
     
  5. DEFinning

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    Quite the piece of work.
    You came here. Then just complain:
    Because you seem in a poor mood, & not really with it, I suggest we call it a night, rather than my answering your reply, which I warn you, won't do much to raise your spirits.

    You tell me that you're an adult, & act offended-- referring to what most of us would call my "consideration,"
    as projecting my stuff on you.

    So I give your post the reply, you'd said you'd wanted, & could handle.
    The result-- more bitches, & head games.

    After I suggest a good post (including a link):
    you reply:

    Still in your mood; and I'm "nagging" you?


    You even defend Putin, as the victim
    And, comically, act unsure whether I may be a Trump worshipper
    As well as paint Americans, here, as the bad guys:
    Which has not a thing to do with the current situation.

    You said it, sister!

    DO TELL;

    when I tell you, honestly-- which you'd assured me, was your choice, and that my worry for your feelings was my "stuff"-- that I'm not in a mood to try to come up with a nice way of saying something,
    you say:

    This answer proves to be the straw breaks you:
    Ironically, it was this quoting back of your own words to you-- which you omitted from your last post's quote, which was too much for you, leading to your bizarre implication that it was ME who was doing anything odd, in this conversation,
    "doing <whatever the hell it is> ," and making out that I was the one, exhausting you, that whatever problem you were having, was my doing, assigning me the responsibility, despite earlier asserting:
    You are also responsible for your own exhaustion.
    Maybe better to ask yourself, this.
     
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    Accusing others of your own flaws again ? Can't seem to get through a post without building a strawman .
     
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    Insane? Not likely. As they say, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He is corrupt and making bad decisions.
     
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    Yes, Putin is sane, he wants to apply the Monroe Doctrine to Russia and it looks that our elites didn't understand it. I am not defending Putin, he is dictator, he poisoned and imprisoned opposition, but the question is if he has right to do what we did. And another question is if Putin will force NATO will break it policy to accept every democratic, will it encourage Putin to further demands like to expeling Baltic states from NATO?

     
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    Funny. YOU CAME to this thread and replied to my post-- which had NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OP, but was a personal matter (hence no "stawmen" involved)-- to register your COMPLAINT about me, which turns out, as usual in your case, to be wrong, but also shows
    YOU DOING NOT ONLY WHAT I'D CHARGED THE OTHER PERSON OF--
    DEFinning said: ↑
    Quite the piece of work.
    You came here. Then just complain:

    But ALSO, WHAT YOU HAD ACCUSED ME OF:

    Giftedone said: ↑
    Accusing others of your own flaws again ?


    So you were committing a DOUBLE- HYPOCRISY--

    You don't see that every day;

    well-done-- I will have to relocate the thread about the dumbest things we've ever seen posted.

    Further, you committed your double hypocrisy, while being completely ignorant of what you were commenting on, which would indicate that you hadn't even read the post, beyond those first few words. And while that is very impressive, I'm still holding out a little hope that you were able to be that stupendously clueless, even after having read the post---

    still no recognition that I was responding to a post that had nothing to do with my thread's OP;

    nor that it was a personal issue, so you went ahead to pull the trigger on the only word you apparently know, to try to make your own argument: calling the other's a strawman, even when that couldn't apply;

    intending that to paint me as a hypocrite, while you were double- clutching, on that exact offense.

    You can't even appreciate, I would wager, how awful was your post, can you? It would be the equivalent of trying to punch somebody, but ending up, beating yourself silly.

    Thanks, for the story.





     
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  10. Giftedone

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    Rambling gibberish - never used the term hypocrite - so again you are making stuff up and accusing the other of this made up nonsense = Strawman fallacy . which is what you were accused of .. . happens in near every one of your posts.
     
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    Former White House doctor Ronny Jackson, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations as well as that of former President George W. Bush, said that President Joe Biden is "not fit to be our president right now" amid the escalating war crisis in Europe.
    Rep. Jackson stands by calls for Biden cognitive test amid Russia-Ukraine crisis, says president 'not fit'
    Rep. Ronny Jackson, R-Texas, is standing by his calls for President Biden, 79, to take a cognitive test, saying that Biden is "not fit to be our president right now" amid the Russia-Ukraine crisis.

    https://jackson.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=173

    first letter July 2021
    https://jackson.house.gov/uploadedf...er_to_president_biden_regarding_moca_test.pdf

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-cognitive-test-russia-ukraine-crisis-ronny-jackson

    2022
    https://jackson.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2.7.22_rep._jackson_biden_cognitive_letter.pdf

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  12. Arkanis

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    He seems to be a very credible person.

    What was his opinion of Trump's mental state when he threatened to nuke North Korea and then claimed that he and Kim had fallen in love?
     
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    This thread is about Putin's sanity . Not Biden's. mental health.
     
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    Thanks again, for another, quotable line--
    you think that a person cannot be a hypocrite,
    unless he says the word, "hypocrite?"


    And there it is--- I never doubted it-- the "strawman," charge, which is central to your identity, on the forum.

    Maybe the connection between the strawmen, you think you see in all my posts-- though I can't recall your
    ever proving one of those charges-- isn't that the post was written by me, but that it is in a thread, being read by you-- how many threads have you posted in, in which you never used the term "strawman?"



    In fact, for fun-- and because, unlike you, I don't like to throw around baseless accusations, but prefer, whenever possible, to provide evidence, with my assertions-- I did a search of "strawman," and "Giftedone," and came up with
    474 hits.
    This number, of course, would probably not include your variant spellings, like "straw man," "straw men," and definitely excludes uses of, "strawmen."

    The vast majority of those-- if this fact does not, immediately, dawn upon you-- are NOT directed at me.


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    Live by your own rules... It was not about Trump either but you seem to jump right in line with your buddies to bash Trump and then think you can school me on Biden's cognitive decline...
     
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    Ark, are you aware of this letter being authenticated? It doesn't seem like the type of letter that a doctor would write to our POTUS. I could see it being written to Jill or Biden's Chief of Staff or even Harris, but lobbing disjointed accusations TO the person one is concerned about seems pointless to me. What does he expect to happen? Biden to just say "Yeah, I might be losing it. Let me go get checked."

    And, I'm not trying to go down the What-about-ism trail but "signs of aggression" was a mainstay in the Trump Administration. If that's all one needs to be "concerned" about cognitive decline...well...yeah, that.
     
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    Sorry....no offense intended. Just thought that if one is concerned about Biden's mental state.....a thread on that topic might be in order.
     
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    The first point-- and you are far from the only one to forget this, Popscott; in fact, doctors make this mistake about themselves-- just being a medical doctor, does not certify one as competent, on all healthcare issues: you do not go to your oral surgeon, for a colonoscopy; your gastroenterologist is not the one to evaluate if you have a brain tumor, and any medical internist, is not qualified to make psychiatric diagnoses. That would apply, even had Dr. Jackson conducted thorough testing, during an actual examination of Biden, which he did not.

    So this letter is worthless (which would make me, at any rate, rethink just how trustworthy was any news organization that did not realize that that R.J. 's letter, is T.P.).

    Secondly, there were a guano- load of open letters, from authorities, addressed to Trump, when he was President, that went ignored. There were, also, open letters from experts, about Trump, both during his presidency, and predating it.


    Addressing your "letter," to Biden, thorough a comparison to the letters received by Trump, and the quality of the signatories, to those letters, will take multiple posts. But I can think of no more appropriate place to start, than with this, concise but amazingly comprehensive, open letter, issued during the 2016 Republican Primaries:

    [SNIP]

    OPEN LETTER ON DONALD TRUMP FROM GOP NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS
    MARCH 2, 2016

    We the undersigned, members of the Republican national security
    community
    , represent a broad spectrum of opinion on America’s role in the world and what is necessary to keep us safe and prosperous. We have disagreed with one another on many issues, including the Iraq war and intervention in Syria. But we are united in our opposition to a Donald Trump presidency. Recognizing as we do, the conditions in American politics that have contributed to his popularity, we nonetheless are obligated to state our core objections clearly:

    His vision of American influence and power in the world is wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle. He swings from isolationism to military adventurism within the space of one sentence.

    His advocacy for aggressively waging trade wars is a recipe for economic disaster in a globally connected world.

    His embrace of the expansive use of torture is inexcusable.

    His hateful, anti-Muslim rhetoric undercuts the seriousness of combating Islamic radicalism by alienating partners in the Islamic world making significant contributions to the effort. Furthermore, it endangers the safety and Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms of American Muslims.

    Controlling our border and preventing illegal immigration is a serious issue, but his insistence that Mexico will fund a wall on the southern border inflames unhelpful passions, and rests on an utter misreading of, and contempt for, our southern neighbor.

    Similarly, his insistence that close allies such as Japan must pay vast sums for protection is the sentiment of a racketeer, not the leader of the alliances that have served us so well since World War II.

    His admiration for foreign dictators such as Vladimir Putin is unacceptable for the leader of the world’s greatest democracy.

    He is fundamentally dishonest. Evidence of this includes his attempts to deny positions he has unquestionably taken in the past, including on the 2003 Iraq war and the 2011 Libyan conflict. We accept that views evolve over time, but this is simply misrepresentation.

    His equation of business acumen with foreign policy experience is false. Not all lethal conflicts can be resolved as a real estate deal might, and there is no recourse to bankruptcy court in international affairs.

    Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe, and which would diminish our standing in the world. Furthermore, his expansive view of how presidential power should be wielded against his detractors poses a distinct threat to civil liberty in the United States. Therefore, as committed and loyal Republicans, we are unable to support a Party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head. We commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office.


    Ken Adelma
    David Adesni
    Michael Ausli
    Mike Bake
    Christopher Barto
    Kevin W. Billing
    Robert D. Blackwil
    Daniel A. Blumentha
    Max Boo
    Ellen Bor
    Anna Borshchevskay
    Joseph A. Bosc
    Michael Chertof
    Patrick Chovane
    James Cla
    Eliot A. Cohe
    Gus Coldebell
    Carrie Corder
    Michael Coulte
    Chester A. Crocke
    Patrick M. Croni
    Seth Cropse
    Tom Donnell
    Daniel Drezne
    Colin Duec
    Eric Edelma
    Joseph Esposit
    Charles Fairbank
    Richard A. Falkenrat
    Peter D. Feave
    Niall Ferguso
    Jamie Fl
    Richard Fontain
    Aaron Friedber
    Dan Gabrie
    Greg Garci
    Jana Chapman Gate
    Jeffrey Gedmi
    Reuel Marc Gerech
    James K. Glassma
    David Gordo
    Christopher J. Griffi
    Mary R. Habec
    Paul Haenl
    Melinda Harin
    Robert Hasting
    Rebeccah Heinrich
    Francis Q. Hoan
    Rachel Hof
    Jeffrey W. Hornun
    William C. Inbode
    Jamil N. Jaffe
    Ash Jai
    Marc C. Johnso
    Myriah Jorda
    Robert G. Josep
    Tim Kan
    Kate Kidde
    Robert Kaga
    Rep. Jim Kolb
    David Krame
    Stephen Krasne
    Matthew Kroen
    Frank Lavi
    Philip I. Lev
    Philip Lohau
    Mary Beth Lon
    Peter Mansoo
    John Maure
    Matthew McCab
    Bryan McGrat
    Richard G. Mile
    Paul D. Mille
    Charles Morriso
    Michael B. Mukase
    Scott W. Mulle
    Lester Munso
    Andrew S. Natsio
    Michael Noona
    Tom Nichol
    John Noona
    Roger F. Norieg
    Stephen E. Ockende
    John Osbor
    Robert T. Osterhale
    Mackubin T. Owen
    Daniel Pipe
    Everett Pyat
    Martha T. Rainvill
    Stephen Rodrigue
    Marc A. Ros
    Nicholas Rosto
    Michael Rubi
    Daniel F. Rund
    Benjamin Runkl
    Richard L. Russel
    Andrew Sago
    Kori Schak
    Randy Scheuneman
    Gary J. Schmit
    Gabriel Schoenfel
    Russell Seit
    Kalev I. Sep
    Vance Serchu
    David R. Shed
    Gary Shiffma
    Kristen Silverber
    Michael Sing
    Ray Takey
    Jeremy Teige
    William H. Tobe
    Jan Van Tol
    Daniel Vajdich
    Ruth Wedgwood
    Albert Wolf
    Julie Wood
    Dov S. Zakheim
    Roger Zakheim
    Sam Zega
    Philip Zelikow
    Robert B. Zoellick
    Laurence Zuriff

    Number of Signatories: 122

    [END SNIP]

    https://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

    Wow! They turned out being impressively prescient-- we all should have given that letter a good reading, back when.


    More letters, to come
     
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    @popscott , continued. (#2)

    Speaking of national security, there was a second letter put out, just before the 2020 Election, with 484 signers, this time, an open letter, by these professionals, who'd now seen Trump in action, for 4 years, and so were encouraging people, to vote for Biden.
    I might save that one, for my last post.


    Now, though, let's look at some letters, addressed to President Trump. In 2016, over 800 Earth Scientists & Energy experts, issued a letter, urging the new Prez to take SIX Steps. BTW, the signers we're all Americans, or worked in the U.S., representing 46 states. All held, or were pursuing, PhD degrees, in related disciplines (w/ a few exceptions, for leaders in the field).

    I'm guessing this is not a topic of special interest to you-- which is a sad thing, to say about anyone-- so I will make it quick. Their first 3 suggestions were to:

    1. Make America a Clean Energy leader.

    2. Reduce carbon pollution, & America's reliance on fossil fuels.

    3. Enhance America's climate preparedness and resilience.

    Except for for the reduction in pollution that came, strictly out of the effects of Covid, Trump whiffed, on all of those. But the scientists threw some easy ones in there, too:

    [SNIP]
    4. Publicly acknowledge that climate change is a real, human-caused, and urgent threat. If not, you will become the only government leader in the world to deny climate science(11). Your position will be at odds with virtually all climate scientists, most economists, military experts, fossil fuel companies and other business leaders, and the two-thirds of Americans worried about this issue (1,2,12-15).

    5. Protect scientific integrity in policymaking. During your campaign, you said that your “administration will ensure that there will be [scientific] transparency and accountability without political bias(16).” Uphold these standards by appointing scientific advisors, Cabinet members, and federal agency leaders who respect and rely on science-based decision-making. This would exclude many of your Cabinet and transition team appointees to date, who deny the scientific realities of human-caused climate change (17,18).

    6. Uphold America's commitment to the Paris Climate Agreement. Reneging from this treaty - the product of 25 years of negotiations between almost every country on Earth - would undermine our best chance to avoid dangerous climate change. It would also poorly represent the American people, the majority of whom support US participation in the Paris Agreement(19). The United States will lose its seat of influence at the international negotiating table, and will cede to China, the EU, and other countries its authority as a political, technological, and moral leader(20).
    You have the support of the majority of companies, military leaders, scientists, engineers, and citizens to respond to the threats posed by climate change by reducing carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. Many of America’s largest cities and states are already committed to doing so(21-23). We urge you to decide if you want your Presidency to be defined by denial and disaster, or acceptance and action.

    Sincerely,
    [End Snip]

    As we saw, Trump chose to go with, "denial and disaster," to define his Presidency (from the last line of the letter^^), and so was 0 for 6. He didn't EVEN nail #4, just to say, yeah, climate change is real, we're the cause, & it's an urgent threat. How hard would that have been?

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WOlIkEHStJCZEQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0YSb8DvEBG


    As bad as that went, Climate Scientists actually issued another letter, in 2020

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...s-to-president-elect-trump-on-climate-change/
    It said it hoped that he'd had a nice trip out West, where his terrible policies would lead the area to continuing, devastating wildfires. I think they were being sarcastic. It didn't seem to be shaping up as a very "nice" letter.
     
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    I did not say - nor infer - that you were a hypocrite . Strawman fallacy is your forte - making things up and attributing to the mouth of another.
     
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    You actually did, as literally as is possible. Here's your quote:
    What do you think 'hypocrite," means, I wonder? Someone practicing a particular dietary regimen? It means,
    a person who does the things, themself, for which they criticize others
    .

    Think about for a bit. It's extremely clear cut.


    But that you were, yourself, doing
    what you were accusing me of doing (accusing others-- falsely-- of your own fault) is only standard hypocrite fare; you were ALSO doing the same thing that I had been saying the other poster had done,which you'd quoted:

    So you CAME & COMPLAINED about my post , which cited someone else for justing COMING to the thread & COMPLAINING.

    And the complaint which you'd lodged, against my complaint, was that I was accusing the other poster, of my own fault: which means that I would be, according to your (as always) baseless charge, someone who just COMES and COMPLAINS; what I had alleged of the other person-- COMING &. COMPLAINING-- was, in fact, my "OWN FLAW."

    You, of course, showed no evidence, to back your claim, that this was, indeed, my own fault-- and I had provided a slew of the other poster's quotes, to support my own claim (which,BTW, you'd have seen, had you even bothered to read beyond the first line).

    You did, however, provide evidence: of YOURSELF, COMING to a thread, and JUST COMPLAINING!

    You didn't bother to post any ideas, of your own; you didn't reply to anyone else's post. You just CAME & COMPLAINED, about my post, claiming someone else had, though not so directly, as you, just been moping around the thread & complaining.

    I wish you were smarter, and had a longer attention span, so that I could explain to you, what you'd done, because it was pretty funny. But I feel sure, at this point, you've already checked- out, so I am just wasting my time & energy.
     
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    And what the hell any of that has to do with Putin's mental state is anyone's guess ?
     
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    That was a different post .. duh .. try to stay on page .. I agree with the hypocrite as well .. but in this case was referring to your strawman propensity ..
     
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    No, it is you who is either lost, or dissembling. But this is really boring, completely off-topic, and not adding anything of interest to the thread. So please leave, or I will report you for vagrancy.
     
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    I agree, but I was only responding to "giftedone's" charges, which seems to be the only reason he is here.

    BTW, this criticism of my being off-topic, is your first post in this thread, as well, isn't it? My dealing with one poster who seems only here to disrupt things, & attack me, is the first thing about this thread, that you, also, want to post about?

    I don't suppose it could have anything to do with your asses, still being sore from my spanking 'em, the last time you each tried to start trouble? Why don't you just learn from the past, & don't be an ass? I'm not out on the forum, stalking you two.

    So welcome, if you are interested in the thread I started, and in which you may want to contribute your own 2¢. But if you're only here to be a pest, please grow up.
     

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