IS PUTIN SANE?

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    This has nothing to do with Pootin's sanity or Trump's sanity.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump got 30/30. What is your point? Trump is right once again... he aced the test.
     
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    You sound like a Russian shill. Posters do not normally include all the signatories to such letters, but I included all those, listed in the article. And you are saying, that unless I can provide the actual document, it is a "lie?" That is ludicrous, but OK, if those are the rules you want to use: we are SEEING ON TELEVISION, RUSSIAN BOMBING, so we know that is happening! And Putin is doing it, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER!

    What reason do you claim? That Ukraine is killing citizens, in the Donbas? Well where is the proof? Unless you can produce the actual bodies, "that is a lie!"

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    Here is the article I posted (for the third time)


    https://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/


    Here are more letters against Trump, FROM REPUBLICANS, in 2016. One is from GOP National Security Experts; the other, from Senior Diplomats.


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2KQ5UXfFWpvSHJbuji9wPm


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...gQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1MCSoMTeGl18gM9sqZlabn.
     
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    First, that's not the way the forum works. The OP is the subject, that's it! Anything else is off- topic or, when it's done on purpose, as you are clearly trying to do, it is DERAILING THE THREAD!

    But I would even like to see your proof of where this thread, supposedly, "turned into a Trump thread." If that was my response, however, to your trying to turn it into a BIDEN THREAD-- Come on, man! How crooked do you play?
     
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    BREAKING NEWS:

    This is now a little bit old, because I got hung up with a thread- derailer, but the word from a military Intelligence analyst, on MSNBC, Malcolm Vance, is that the Ukranian forces are doing very well, for the time being, keeping Russian forces out of Kiev. These Russian units are NOT Heavy Armor units. So, the info from Vance is that, as they have been trying to enter the city, they're being ripped apart, by the Ukranians!
     
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    I disagree: this must be really driving Putin crazy!
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    No... I have seen people being driven crazy for the last five years.... this ain't it.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    And when will you tire of
    1) thread derailing, and
    2) harassing other posters?

    Especially as your "attacks" are utterly flaccid, perpetually lacking any quoted evidence, to support your, therefore, worthless words.

    I put no words in anyone's mouth: I quoted more than a dozen examples, from the poster, of what I was talking about.

    The grand total of supporting posts, I've so far seen, for all of your bogus charges, is ZERO.


    You only put your childishness on display, when you transparently come at me, over something which is none of your concern, in a thread that you have yet to contribute a single post on the thread topic: they have all been about me.

    You like to pretend that you're smart; so why don't you start showing something that might, at least, be mistaken for intelligence?

    FYI-- your post, above,
    ain't it!
     
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    I just think it's hilarious that you're blatant little personal insults got deleted and then you turn around and tried to say that I reported you and then in this very thread you threatened to report someone and you cried victim.

    Way to spank some ass man! :rolleyes::roflol:
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    What part of your article you keep posting has the actual signatures. Your articles has a list of names... not one signature.... do you have a copy with these 122 signatures? they are handwritten by each person.

    From your link... an example of """a letter early this month signed by 88 retired generals and other military officials who endorsed Trump as a “long overdue course correction in our national security posture.”"""
    but there is a list...again no signatures...

    Your links are just garbage if you can't put the actual letter on here and the personal signature by each

    example...Ya see this is a signature... not only is his name here , but his signature is also

    upload_2022-2-26_15-20-54.png
     
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    yeah and he grew an inch so he wasn't classified as obese, did you get access to his medical records or listen to propaganda I wonder

    even so, the test is not an IQ test, you know that right?

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    Cheese please - pairs well with whine - of denial :)
     
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    """the test is not an IQ test, you know that right?"""

    Maybe that is why my post says
    "Trump aces Montreal Cognitive Assessment test"

    the test is not an IQ test, you know that right?
     
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    Then you know it's nothing to brag about
     
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    So... people were squawking how Trump was needing to take a cognitive test in 2018... Trump went and took a cognitive test... Trump got 30 out of 30... just a fact... spin it the best you can...
     
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    not fact... no more than his doctors saying he is not obese

    that is the most basic test one can take, passing it doesn't mean you're not suffering mental issues - nothing to brag about

    why would his doctors think he needed such a test more then once, that is the question
     
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    Trump requested the test to squelch the garbage in the fake news media... spin it the best you can

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-commentator-news-phoenix-rally-a7907696.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...i-literate-fire-and-fury-latest-a8146176.html

    https://heavy.com/news/2017/08/trum...ro-cnn-don-lemon-symptoms-father-fred-donald/

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ana-navarro-trump-dementia_n_599cf3f0e4b0d97c3fffee44

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-commentator-implies-trump-dementia-later-says-didnt-tweet/
     
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    He is supporting Putin.......and his actions. Putin sees the fissures in the US........ as Trump is undermining what Biden is trying to do......... and the US is not presenting a strong and unfed front. Putin sees that as just antoehr american weakness now......which he is prepared to exploit with his own propaganda. The Trump following republicans have made it their goal to resist anything Biden wants to do...........so when the leadership gov't) can't agree on a parking ticket.......let alone something like this.......... other autocratic leaders will see them as vulnerable. and disjointed. Having a military but being afraid to use it effectively due to fear of casualties............ is a handicap too.

    The USA cannot project power......if it is always infighting.........so in reality the system is failing. (not just one person)

    For a nation that claims to be "independent".......it is far too dependent on others now as it has priced itself out of business.....
     
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    Oh, now I see your misunderstanding. When professionals all sign on to a public statement, especially if there are a lot of them, they do not all physically sign, as did the American forefathers, sign the Declaration of Independence. Names are just listed, along with their titles. For example, the open letter by both Republican & Democratic National Security professionals, just before the 2020 Election, advocating for our choosing of Joe Biden, had 484 signatories. And many of these had long titles, like former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense; former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Air Force; fmr. Director of the National Security Council; fmr. Commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, and so forth.Can you imagine nearly 500 of them, all bunched together? These letters are not like Birthday cards from the rest of your office, or workplace. Names are just listed, (neatly), kind of like we now sign things "electronically," by just clicking on, "sign," or the like.

    So now you know: if these letters are printed in credible media, like the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Scientific American, and so forth, they are legit. I don't know what goes on in Russia, or wherever you live, but open letters to the U.S. President, by Earth Scientists, on the role of Climate Change in Western wildfires, are not the kind of things that get forged, over here. If the open letter, supporting Biden, lists Chuck Hagel or Ashton Carter, both former Secretaries of Defense, you can believe that they put their names on that list; otherwise, many would hear about the misuse of their names, and the letter would be discredited.




     
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    Yea, Speaks volumes about you.
    Those dictators are dogs. We are human beings like this man.
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    Real men tame dogs, got it?
     
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    sounds like saner minds are trying to push back against crazy Putin
     
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    It's too bad that-- I assume-- none of the Republics or whatever they call themselves, now, is ready for an uprising, because if that chain was to get started right now, there's a chance it could even be Putin's undoing.
     
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    THE NEXT EXHIBIT, in the case for

    PUTIN'S PSYCHOLOGICAL INSTABILITY

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550

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    KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — President Vladimir
    Putin dramatically escalated East-West tensions by ordering Russian nuclear forces put on high alert Sunday, while Ukraine’s embattled leader agreed to talks with Moscow as Putin’s troops and tanks drove deeper into the country, closing in around the capital.

    Citing “aggressive statements” by NATO and tough financial sanctions, Putin issued a directive to increase the readiness of Russia’s nuclear weapons, raising fears that the invasion of Ukraine could boil over into nuclear war, whether by design or mistake.

    The Russian leader is “potentially putting in play forces that, if there’s a miscalculation, could make things much, much more dangerous,” said a senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

     
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    To introduce more potential components, explaining Putin's change in behavior (not supporting these, ideas; just tossing them out there):

    1) He is, after all, 72 years old. While there is no standard for mental decline-- varying wildly both in degree, and in timing, among individuals-- nonetheless, it should not come as too shocking if, after the fact-- if the Russians saved Putin's brain, for study-- it was discovered that he'd been suffering from an early stage of Alzheimer's.
    The average, male lifespan, in Russia, is only 70. That said, we are not all average, so I am against relying too heavily on averages-- considering them, only a general, guide.
    Also, I expect Putin has been receiving better healthcare, than most of his countrymen.



    2) Brain fog, leftover from a Covid infection. I think this is a real possibility, as it explains the sudden manifestation of this altered Putin persona, & it's timing.


    Anyone else, care to weigh- in,
    on those, or other factors, potentially contributing to Putin's atypical behavior?
     
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