Guilty as charged.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Mar 8, 2022.

  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really think our Supreme Court is that stupid?
    Not could have. Would have.
     
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    what does it mean then?
     
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    in the case of Garrett Miller of Texas
    A federal judge said late Monday that the Justice Department cannot charge Jan. 6 defendants with obstructing Congress’s certification of President Biden’s 2020 election victory unless the defendants tampered with official documents or records in the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
    The charge of "Obstruction of an Official Proceeding" appears 176 times in the Department of Justice's list of Capitol Breach Cases. The decision could affect hundreds of other Jan. 6 defendants facing a similar charge of obstruction.
    A defense attorney familiar with the January 6 cases said that his colleagues are likely to advise their clients not to plead guilty to a charge that may not be a crime. In this way, Nichols’ decision gave the defendants more leverage in the plea talks.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-m...J57e5pHwwLV0AMhrXT74oGOWMu5yAA-0IMh1LmLKNT-EE
    https://news.yahoo.com/judge-dismisses-capitol-riot-obstruction-014457585.html
     
  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. He, like his fellow RW extremists, are a danger to the society and apparently even to their own families.
     
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    I guess you're the only person on the planet that knows this secret weapon.:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     

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    An wasn't charged with insurrection.
    Go figure
     
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    Do you even listen to yourself.

    If Trump had, If Trump could have gotten, he could have, Might do to, he thought.
    Yet nothing you claimed happened. They call that speculation, conjecture, guesswork, shot in the dark, or your sneaking suspicion.
    All of which means squat.

    More fake claims. Trump never told the NG to stand down. YOU just made that up.
    And just for your information, the riot lasted all of 2-2 1/2 hours. You couldn't deploy a NG unit in that amount of time.
    By the time you recall all the NG soldiers, arm them, and deploy, is usually a 24 hour task at best.
    But thanks for the laughs

    At least you admitted Trump stopped the rioters
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

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    I can only look through my own eyes. I am not defending this dumba$$ thug; just comparing his sentence with others I support keeping violent people inprison. As far as child endangerment, many illegal immigrants drag their children across the desert or send them with coyotes, and there is no outrage over child endangerment. We also see light sentences for sex offenders and violent criminals being released only to commit more violent crime.

    It just looks like lady justice lost her blindfold.
     
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    There was nothing funny about January 6th 2021. Yes, I read and reread my posts. What I'm not sure of is why I listen to you. Let me refer you to the title of this section; "Political Opinions & Beliefs", I believe it's my right to express my "beliefs" here; you do it all the time, even, as I proved yesterday, going so far as to conflating and twisting facts. If what I post "doesn't mean squat", why are you bothering? 8)

    I never said tRump told the National Guard to stand down; I said, "On tRump's orders the National Guard was "held in reserve". As the following articles support, tRumps concern was that the Guard be ready to protect his supporters, not the Capitol.


    (^^^^ that is supposed to be all one quote but this POS editor refuses to see it that way)
    The above articles also support the fact that the Guard was 20 minutes away and ready to act, not 24 hours or even 1 hour out; but their deployment was held up in red tape.

    :roll:
     
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    doesn't mean you don't wait in jail for trial, not sure where you got that

    means if the da ask for more time, you can fight it and demand a speedy trial
     
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    maybe it's just you that did not know that... but ok
     
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    If you could demand a speedy trial, and your case would be dismissed if they didn't provide it, you got the idea that no attorney on the planet knew about it but somehow you did?
    :roflol:
    The protection afforded by the speedy trial guarantee of the Sixth Amendment is activated ONLY when a criminal prosecution has begun and extends only to those persons who have been accused in the course of that prosecution.

    A speedy trial isn't the time to get to trial, its the time the trial will take. But you do make me laugh out loud.
     
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    It looks like OP won’t call out BLM for throwing Molotov cocktails at buildings, but protesting while Republican? That’s the worst crime ever!!
     
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    And these are the reasons your post are normally called out as fake. You emballish everything and falsify claims by twisting actual information/
    You want examples.

    FAKE CLAIM #1
    (Per your own links so you even know better up front as its the very first line in your own link)
    The commander for Washington DC’s National Guard has said that Trump officials at the Pentagon restricted his ability to respond to the Capitol riots on 6 January.
    Which is another fake story your drummed up.

    FAKE CLAIM #2
    Heres how fake your claims really are. From the National Guards own claim coupled with the office of the DOD.
    https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/...ls-national-guard-response-to-capitol-attack/

    Days prior, District of Columbia officials knew of the planned protests and had requested some assistance when the "First Amendment demonstrations" were planned for Jan. 5 and 6. Based on this request, officials called up 340 National Guardsmen to help. The Guardsmen were assigned mainly to traffic control, Metro crowd control, some logistics support and a 40-member quick reaction force to be based at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.

    But the protests turned into a mob rioting through the halls, chambers and offices of the U.S. Capitol. At around 2 p.m., D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requested more assistance. Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller immediately called up 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard.

    Guardsmen started flowing into the area of the Capitol soon after and reinforced Metro Police on the perimeter of the Capitol. This allowed the police and FBI to clear the chambers and offices of the U.S. Capitol, McCarthy said. "By 7:15, both chambers and leadership offices were cleared, and members were able to return to business, and we began the planning for the following day,

    At 6 p.m., Miller authorized the mobilization of up to 6,200 National Guard members from Maryland, Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Delaware and Pennsylvania. These service members will flow into the city over the next few days and will help secure the peaceful transfer of power to President-elect Joseph Biden on Jan. 20.


    So your fake stories about Trump holding them in reserve and only deploying them for the rioters is just more made up hosres***.
    But we are all used to it by now anyway, so
     
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    He's been convicted of threatening witnesses with death. Said witnesses being his own children.
    That constitutes a harm to an actual person, yes.
     
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    Defendants have the right to slow walk the trial to prepare themselves more fully, likewise the prosecution just must show any delay has a legitimate, reasonable, legal purpose.
    For instance: If the Court can't set the trial on the docket for a year because the court system is backed up, there is no delay being caused that can be motioned against.
     
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    He threatened to kill his children?
    Link please
     
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    Ah so you didn't read the OP article eh? Or any other news article about this case detailing why he caught the obstruction charges?

    Such expert. Much knowledge.
     
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    So you don't have that link. I thought so.

    But according to the article in the OP they introduced as evidence by prosecutors at trial, the defendant’s own son who testified against him who stated they would be traitors if they reported his actions, and that traitors get shot. Thats not a direct threat to kill his son. But is does give the left something to twist into what they want it to say.

    If I made that same statement on PF does that mean I'm going to shoot someone on PF? As I remember the left never had any problem making those statements about Trump or anyone in his cabinet. Funny how that works.
     
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    Thats not the issue. The issue is a backlogged court system thats leaving pretty much everyone without a speedy trial. The problem specific to the Jan 6ers is, unlike everyone else, they've been denied bail and many are being held in solitary confinement while they wait on the backlogged court system.
     
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    1) As stated: ITS IN THE OP LINK O wise and learned one.

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    Reffitt’s own son Jackson Reffitt, then 18, told the FBI about his father’s role in the riot within days, even after Guy Reffitt warned Jackson and his 16-year-old sister that they would be “traitors” if they reported his actions, and that “traitors get shot,” according to the son’s testimony at trial."

    2) ^ That's a direct threat. IF you do X you're a traitor, and traitors get shot, therefore if you do X I will shoot you. QED.

    3) No threat you could make here would be imminent unless you could show you actually knew the real identity of the poster you were threatening. Here, he knows the identity of the person he's threatening, and lives in the house with them. A threat to shoot them if they talk, because traitors get shot, is a direct threat.
     
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    WRONG, There is no therefore I will shoot you blah blah blah :roflol:
    Thats leftist word twisting.

    Politicians have been calling people traitors, and we all know what happens to traitors, for decades.
    Never once did anyone claim it meant that politician was going to kill or shoot anyone.

    Its no different than when the left claimed Trump said Putin was a savvy genius until the audio came out getting egg on their faces. Again. lol
     
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    Except we didn't.
     
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    Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the difference between prosecution and persecution.
     

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