Who does—and doesn’t—support sending U.S. troops to Ukraine

Russian missile submarines can be tracked and sunk before they launch their missiles.

Regarding missiles that do get launched you ignore their likeliest targets.

One of the absolute likeliest targets in the U.S. for enemy ICBMs is Minot, North Dakota because its one of the main storage sites for U.S. nuclear weapons.

And a large nuclear warhead hitting Minot would only kill about 12,000 people.

 

I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees. There is obviously not one, single, agenda behind the media coverage. There are partisan agendas, there are agendas having to do with ratings, and a lot more. But: the main driver and source of news are government officials. Their agendas are in prominent display in most media organs. As it relates to Ukraine, the common agenda of establishment Democrat and Republican officials and politicians is to feed Russo-phobia sufficiently but not more. Other than that common interest and agenda, and within its parameters, you then have each sides partisan slants.

 

The greatest generation was not remotely as "great" as people like to think. Nor is todays as lacking.

 

My understanding is that Fox is pro-Russia to the point of pushing the Ukrainian bioweapons BS.

Other than that, I mostly agree, but I wouldn't call it a phobia while Putin is talking up WW3...

 

You are very, very wrong. Besides the only reason anyone related to Fox is the least bit sympathetic toward Putin is his anti homosexual beliefs

 

Right you are!

We just saw that demonstrated clearly in discovering that the Biden administration paid all the MSM outlets to promote the Fauci Dogma and the "safe and effective" clot shots. There is a war on for our minds, and in many cases the government and Pharma have won that war.

 

A segment of FOX's viewership and connections are tied to the folks behind the so-called Trump-Putin Grand Bargain, which not coincidentally played well with the "white nationalist" and "ultra-Zionist" wings of Trump's base. The "establishment" Republicans, however, are ultimately on a different page though from a similar initial script (PNAC),

 

"Tucker Carlson, however, took a different approach. Hours before Putin ordered his forces into Ukraine, Fox News’ biggest star was still praising the Russian president.

Putin’s bellicose threats towards Ukraine and assembling of up to 190,000 troops on the country’s border, was, Carlson said, a mere “border dispute”. Carlson, who played into Kremlin talking points by declaring that Ukraine was “not a democracy”, launched an apparent attempt to humanize Putin.

“Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle-class job in my town to Russia?” Carlson said as he then recited a rightwing tip sheet of pet causes."
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/feb/25/tucker-carlson-fox-news-russia-putin

You can see it here, posters trying to shift the blame for a war Putin started onto Biden, and others. The Right has been jumping in bed with the Russians for several years. They made their bed, they like it, and now they're acting all innocent.

Sure.

 

Das Right mate .. Real men use Nukes !! none of this sissy talk .. we gonna blow em to Kingdom come !!

A wise man once said --- There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity...

 

It's a hot day in Hell when PNAC is the lesser of evils..

 

Maybe there isn't really a "lesser evil" so much as two cooperating and competing evils.

 

There is nothing we can do. Putin brought the whole world to the reality.
Physical reality cannot coexist with virtual reality where leftists live.

 

How about a large nuclear missile hitting Washington DC or NYC? Some studies suggest that only initial blast in NYC would kill approximately 550,000. Our nukes are aimed at Moscow, St. Petersburg etc...You'd better not kid yourself.

 

What makes you think that?

 

550,000 dead. Three times that many injured brings the total to 2.2 million dead or injured. Assume another million suffering from significant radiation illness and that's 3.2 million.

But NYC has a population of 8.8 million people in the city itself. That leaves 5.6 million New Yorkers to rebuild.

 

It doesn't make me think. I know so. I have no doubts that theirs are not aimed at the political and economic centres of the USA and the EU.

 

On condition they are hit with only one. I wouldn't bet on it.

 

You know that so called "city busting" hasn't been a priority for nuclear targeting since the 1970s at least?

 

The more that hit NYC or DC, the less available to hit other targets. Assuming they all work of course.

 

Hang on, everybody... it looks like Israeli PM, Bennett, may be in the process of getting an end to this horrific mess.

It would involve Ukraine giving up the 'Donbass' provinces and Crimea permanently, and, agreeing not to join NATO.

Kind of a 'sucky' deal from Ukraine's point of view, but it will be that or the near-total destruction of the country. After this new agreement, Putin will end the invasion and leave Ukraine.

Putin will get what he wants, mostly, and Europe strongly wants to get back to 'business-as-usual'... because the ugly truth is that NATO has been revealed as an inadequately-provisioned, unprepared, 'limp-dick' during this affair.

The U. S. dare not get too mired in this Eastern European problem, either, because soon -- probably VERY soon, America will be confronted with far greater problems with CHINA and Taiwan....

 

I don't care. In the meanwhile we have seized some giant yachts in Italy [it seems that one of them belongs to Putin ...].

 

Oh yeah. That'll teach em.

 

I don't know if it is a blessing or a curse but most Americans have never suffered the sort of war related misery that Germany, Russia, Japan and many other countries have.

In recent history, Americans who have seen the horrors of war leave America to go somewhere else to participate in the destruction of another country / countries.

Those who do come home return to cities, towns, homes and loving families which have been untouched by firebombing, mass murder, starvation and other war related deprivations.

That's why so many Americans can talk so lightly and recklessly about going to war because, historically, wanton destruction and mass carnage is something that only happens to someone else.

We still memorialize the attack on a military base, Pearl Harbor, and "9/11" when for some countries every day involved multiple "9/11s" throughout the country and those who "came home" returned alone to only rubble and dead loved ones.

Radioactive rubble and burned, dismembered loved ones is precisely what reckless, pro war Americans will earn us if there is a significant nuclear exchange with Russia so as we make Russia's inexcusable aggression Ukraine as costly and unappealing as possible we should not take measures that would result in direct Russia vs US confrontations such as the US enforcing a Ukrainian "No-Fly Zone".

We should also remember that the vast majority of the Russian people also oppose Putin's War and dread a nuclear exchange as much as we do (or should).

Thanks,

 

So. Your grasp of the obvious doesn't mean anything.

May I point out something else obvious. No one in Russia has any experience at all with a nuclear war and most have no experience with a conventional war either.

 

I didn't answer the question, "You get this from some lunatic source like Fox???" because you didn't ask what exactly you think I got from Fox.

I've observed that if someone has incomplete thoughts, that will translate into incomplete posts as well.