$6 or $7 per gallon is a small price to pay to defend democracy....

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Hence innovation needs to occur. Restaurants can go the way of barbershop. Chefs rent kitchen spaces and profit by the dish for instance. There are plenty of other ways for those industry's to catchup with the times. If the old way is not working, complain to government?
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You have been addressing (or trying to, and failing) my remark from the OP: "And it's a good thing that we have to pay it now that most people can afford it."

    You sent a link about the middle class. "Struggle" or not MOST in the middle class can afford it. And it's a good thing it happening NOW, and not a year or two ago, because fewer people would have been able to afford it.

    And compared to the price we would pay if Putin were allowed to roam free and take over whatever territories he pleased (until, in a scenario another poster described, he was at our border), it's a SMALL price to pay.
     
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    What sort of traveling? Oh, I don't know, grocery store, doctor's office, visiting family, and god forbid, they should take a trip to a park or museum.

    I have no idea if Republicans want to do away with SS, and exactly what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

    FMW is currently $7.25. Most entry level workers aren't making $7.25. Just for the record, the number of people who are making just FMW is less than 2% of the workforce, and the demographics are 25 years old and younger. So, now that we have that clarified, which has nothing to do with the impact of $6-$7 per gallon of fuel on the average employed person, rare is it that someone would promote the idea that people should work an extra job to pay for necessities. Where was this statement in regards to people working an extra job to pay for things in general? Most of the Democratic side would blanch and faint at the idea someone might have to work more then their 40 to make ends meet. The employer must be evil to not pay a 'living wage' regardless of that level of 'living'.
     
  4. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    It's what they told me to do in order to afford daycare, when we tried to get the headstart program passed during the recession.
    Just giving their advice.
    It worked.
     
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  5. ToughTalk

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    If Trump were in charge we would have been insulated from this inflation. So I'm sorry but I fail to see the logic here..."it's a good thing we voted in an idiot who's destroying our economy..." said noone ever.

    Except you.

    Hope you are prepared for the incoming food shortage! Should be fun!
     
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  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh... .you think that international oil prices don't affect us.

    Not much more needs be said about how poorly you understand how the world economy works.

    And BTW Trump left us in a recession. We have no recession now. So your definition of "destroying the economy" is ... (gosh! I can't say without getting mods upset with me)
     
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  7. ToughTalk

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    No it wouldn't effect us since the vast majority of our oil is domestic. We are currently being artificially gouged by domestic oil companies not willing to increase production. Maybe they are pissed off about Brandon cancelling the pipeline? Or more likely they didn't like the taste of 20 dollars a barrel during the pandemic shut down everything because old people died nonsense.

    Trump would likely have strong armed them into increasing production to save us at the gas pump, insulating the price of oil on all things domestic. Making the increase in goods limited to anything shipped overseas.

    But as it stands we have a weak ass president in charge who can't even get SA on the phone to beg for help because his domestic oil companies don't give a flying **** about him.
     
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    The situation is quite real. A number of groups will be very unhappy when the pendulum goes from the far side of one, to a likely far side of the other.

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    How long are the American people willing to go hungry for the sake of Ukrainians, do you suppose?
     
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    You can be well informed you just choose not to be.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The oil that doesn't affect us... doesn't affect us.
     
  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I EXPECT to see you praising Biden, given that this is exactly what he's doing.

    Because, of course, you're not a hypocrite! That goes without saying.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh dear God! You're right! How could I forget about how stressful it must be for poor people every time they need to fill the tanks of their SUVs.
     
  14. ToughTalk

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    Even regular car. Nice generalization though! Like you have no problems with that generalization but if I said all black people are violent...ya might have issues with that one huh.
     
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    By a wave of his magic golf club? How would Dear Leader have insulated the US since inflation is a global phenomenon?
     
  16. ToughTalk

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    Because domestic goods and shipping would not have been effect as harshly because we are gas independent.

    At the minimum. The price at the pump would be normal. At the minimum.

    Right now domestic oil producers are the ones ****ing us.
     
  17. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A swing and a miss, strike one.
     
  18. ToughTalk

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    Good one.

    Trump was able to stop Russia and SA from having a price war with each other because it was effecting our domestic interests namely our domestic oil companies as the price of oil plummeted to a price point which was putting domestic oil companies out of business. (which are important because you don't want to be like Germany and have to rely on outside help for your energy needs)

    Biden? Biden can't even get SA on the ****ing phone.

    Swing and a miss? You basically just described the sitting president.

    I have no doubt in my mind that Trump would be able to get domestic oil companies to increase production. Of course he wouldn't have cancelled the pipeline on them which would have been something he could have leveraged to get them to dance to his tune...but anyways.
     
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  19. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah... homeless people must be really worried about how they're going to pay $6 a gallon next Labor Day to take their family to Disneyworld.

    BTW, I'm still waiting to see you praise Biden for doing exactly what you said SHOULD be done to reduce gas prices.

    You can do it! Just say "Biden did the right thing" Are you afraid you might turn to stone?
     
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  20. ToughTalk

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    The people suffering right now are the middle class on down. And get this! Some of them actually own cars! *gasp* needing them to commute to work, get groceries...take their children to the doctors or to visit friends and the like.

    As for praising Brandon? I think Biden did the right thing with the sanctions on Russia. Even though his weakness helped create this situation because he's not Trump. Sanctions are the right way to go in adding some pressure. I mean sure! He almost sparks a nuclear war mentioning regime change in Russia that everyone in NATO is frantically trying to walk back.

    As for pressure on domestic oil companies? I'm not sure what you are referring to though. It would certainly help your cause if you provided a link.

    Brandon can't even get SA on the phone though so I'm not sure what pressure he can apply to an industry that he's done no favors too since he's been in office and of which are not threatened by him in the least. So I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you that they jump to his command. Like what's he gonna do? Threaten them with cancelling the pipeline he's already cancelled? Call the oil companies racist? What's the play here?

    lol.

    Maybe you will circle back to me on that one...
     
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    Not in my country they don't. They charge enough to pay their staff a decent hourly rate.

    Granted the prices would be a shock to many Americans :p
     
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    Wow! Even “cheap” fast food prices shock me in the US! Yours may give me a stroke!

    I haven’t eaten “out” for years—fast food or sit down. There just isn’t any value in it. I get better food for a tiny percentage of the price at home. Even if I’m on the road for a few days I go to a grocery store, not restaurants.
     
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    I don't really have an issue with fast food, just because I don't expect it to be good quality. It's all the so-called restaurants between fast food and the high-end ultra-hip places, which are the biggest rip off. The charge a lot for very low brow food.
     
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    I don’t expect great nutrition or palatability from fast food. But it’s prohibitively expensive in my opinion. We used to go get ice cream at Dairy Queen once in a while and maybe some fries or onion rings. Now if I want ice cream away from home I just go to a grocery and buy a half gallon of a good high quality brand. It’s half the price of a quarter the quantity from DQ and better quality.

    Better yet is homemade ice cream…..

    It’s been so long since I’ve been to a sit down restaurant I can’t remember. The food was not good—I didn’t enjoy it. And yes, the charge! The drink and salad alone cost a week's worth of home grub. :)

    It’s going to be interesting to see what the new energy prices do to restaurant prices. If the fertilizer prices stay high for another year or two it’s going to get very interesting.
     
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    Agree, it's all overpriced.

    For me, the only standard which comes close to earning its price is the very high end. The ultra-hip, highly respected chef, type places. Eating at one of those is an experience, not just a meal. You do get a lot more for your money, in that sense. I'd rather pay $120 for a superb meal at one of these, than $30 for utter garbage at a 'mid range' restaurant.
     
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