What is fascism...

I could scarcely imagine a better example of anti-immigrant bigotry.

Do you feel the same way about people from Mexico and parts South of Mexico?

Don't worry, that was a completely rhetorical question.

 

Nope, its right wing.

 

Fascism is neither right nor left. It's about control and power and nothing more.

 

Nope, its still right wing.

 

It is rare to read a sentence where literally evry assertion is incorrect, but you went and did it.

Fascism is not a form of Socialism. Marxism is, but since you got that completely the wrong way around I don't see any value in trying to explain Fascism. Socialism preceded Marxism both conceptually and in name - the term was in use before little Karl hit puberty.

So, maybe leave the facty stuff for people who are capable of research, or at least have decent general knowledge.

I did enjoy that definition you dug up, if only because it reminded me of the way the Socialists I used to irritate in my younger years used to refer to all the failed Communist regimes as 'state capitalism'. Desperate BS to avoid uncomfortable truths, just like your little contribution.

 

You'd better check with Giovanni Gentile, Mussolini's buddy who helped him develop the philosophy of fascism. In fact he literally wrote the book on it, "The Philosophy of Fascism." https://archive.org/stream/the-philosophy-of-fascism_202102/The Philosophy of Fascism_djvu.txt

Giovanni thinks Fascism is 'the most viable form of socialism.'

 

Only if you are partisan in you're thinking.

 

Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1184142.The_Doctrine_of_Fascism

 

Right here your post becomes nonsense. There is not a single source... not ONE... that does not mention extreme nationalism as a core precept of fascism.

So if you make up some person who wants a "one world government" and remove the two core precepts of fascism (extremist nationalism and authoritarianism) then... voila!... you can magically claim that this imaginary person is a fascist and not have to deal with the fact that many of the leaders of the party you support actually ARE fascists.

 

There ya go! We have somebody actually openly defending fascism.

BTW, I haven't counted but communist regimes have likely caused more deaths than fascism. But I don't think that fact will help you promote fascism one bit.

 

So you can't do it on your own? This is supposed to be a debate. That generally involves putting forth your own argument. If you have to rely on others then you're not debating. You're just parroting.

And as normal you refuse to answer questions. Try answering it. History is replete with fascist's that wanted a one world government btw. So there is nothing to "make up".

Btw, I never once said authoritarianism is not a core tenant. Nationalism and religion however are NOT core tenants.

And, for the millionth time... I do not support ANY party. I've told you this before. So stop saying it. To do so from this point on is a LIE. Straight up. No matter how you try and spin it. I am against parties. Period. I would be quite happy if we instituted a new Amendment that banned political parties from forming.

 

Where is that a defense of fascism? Oh right, its not.

 

A statement accredited to an ancient Greek goes something like, "If you would discuss with me, let us first define our terms."

A 'discussion' in which the major terms are not defined and/or applied willy-nilly to this or that group is little more than personal venting.

Dictionary definitions serve a very real purpose. They provide the bedrock upon which to erect logical edifices.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

I agree. However they are not the end all be all either. Especially when the system used to add, remove, or adjust a definition to a dictionary is simply that of popularity.

 

Preventing anything I don't like succinctly describes a fascist, er, fascists are way against free speech, er, progressives (not liberals) and neo-conservatives (not conservatives) are against free speech

 

Then I suppose Trump's attempted coup could be described as fascist since progressives don't like it.

 

Hi, Kal'Stang.

Yup, and that's why folks should agree upon a definition, whether it's that in the dictionary or one that may differ from the dictionary version but is one that they are willing to accept. Charles Dodgson dealt with this in his fantasy writings. I personally find wry humor in the way some words are spritzled about in posts on forums such as this one.

Regards, best wishes to you and yours.

 

Put forth your argument, then. But don't expect ME to do YOUR research for you.

That's not a characteristic of fascism. That's just a characteristic of expansionism. And it's sought by any authoritarian government that feels it has the military might to achieve it.

Extreme nationalism and authoritarianism are exactly what DEFINE fascism. Claims to support Christianism (or some other religion) are typical but not a core precept. I provided one source that supports this. NONE of the sources I consulted while researching for this thread say otherwise. YOU don't provide a single source that says otherwise (which means you likely have done ZERO research). Therefore, the only possible conclusion is that you made it up. And the only reason I can think of to make that up, in this country and in today's reality, is to hide the fact that the Republican Party is becoming a fascist party.

I don't "lie". I simply don't believe you. The content of your posts say exactly the opposite. You can prove me wrong by pointing me to threads in which you denounce Republicans for their fascist acts.

 

Read what I quoted.

You are very selective when you read posts from Trump Republicans... and then we're supposed to believe that you are not a Trump Republican? That would defy all reason and logic. I am simply unable to express anything other than what reason, logic and facts dictate. But I am open to you proving me wrong, if you can....

 

Already have. You just ignore it and refuse to even answer questions. All you do is repeat yourself.

You do know that something can take on multiple characteristics right? That the world is not made up of just one thing. But multiple things?

Again, its called debating. Nationalism is not a core tenant. I'll pose the question again.

Are you really trying to tell me that if a person advocated for a centralized autocratic one world government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition you wouldn't consider them fascist? JUST because they did it in a non-racist, non-nationalistic secular way?

Try and answer it this time.

If you continue to assert that I am a part of the Republican party then yes, you WILL be lying. I don't care if you disbelieve me or not. Your belief is not required. And while I have called out Republicans for their BS I am not under any obligation to prove that to you or to prove that I am what I say I am. My assertion ABOUT MYSELF is non-disputable. You have no evidence to assert otherwise. And never will. Especially when you consider that what one shows of themselves on a forum is just a VERY small part of themselves.

 

Already did. Again, where is that a defense of fascism?

Try expressing "reason, logic, and facts" without partisan bias coloring your eyes.

 

I see an attempt to hammer a square term into a round definition. Certainly we agree on doing what we can to avoid moving in that direction. How can that be achieved by supporting bigger, more powerful government?

 

history is replete with would be world conquerers. most fit the title "emperor" "khan" or some other hereditary imperial title. how many were fascist? i'm stuck on hitler.

"today europe. tomorrow the world." hitler

 

My definition of a fascist:
Not accepting people's rights to have their own view or their own opinion and trying to force your view on others. I find that Republicans usually don't do this. That isn't to say there aren't fascists on both sides but its definitely more of a lefty thing

 

There is NO author, writing, descriptor, analyst, expert... that shares such nonsense. So that's that...

No! It it were not extreme nationalism, it's not fascism. Leninist Communism, for example.