Buffalo Shooting Adds Pressure on Joe Biden to Push for Gun Control Measures

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  1. TOG 6

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    https://time.com/6177079/buffalo-shooting-biden-gun-control/
    Did anyone tell Brian - or Joe - 'assault weapons' are banned in NY?
    Did anyone tell Brian - or Joe - 'high capacity' magazines are banned in NY?
    Did anyone tell Brian - or Joe - the Buffalo shooter passed a background check?

    But, more importantly:
    Will any of you on the anti-gun left hold Biden and the Democrats in Congress accountable for failing to enact the gun control laws you believe we need?
     
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    Why would he want gun manufacturers to be sued, they don't sell guns to individuals and they don't shoot people. Is he going to do the same thing with knife and car companies? Biden is trying to motivate the left going into the midterms and it's a losing cause.

    Heck, illegal drugs coming across the border from Mexico and China have killed 107,000 Americans, who is he going to hold responsible for that?
     
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    Biden needs to get a law passed where all federal employees, including the squad, can only protect themselves in the same manner us plebs are.
     
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    Let him try to defeat the Constitution!
     
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    Joe wants the illegals in and could care less about drug overdoses or gun deaths in liberal citys . i think 35 were shot in chicago last weekend. Mostly black on black. I guess its only wrong when a white man kills blacks and claims to be a white supremacist but ok when blacks slaughter each other .
    Joe and the Liberal media are morons
     
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    To raise their cost of doing business.
    Which will raise the price of their products.
    Which will make it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    You are correct
     
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    As long as weapons are easily transported across state lines it is a little intellectually dishonest to say they are banned in that specific area.

    I have heard a recent argument based on Alito’s premise of the textualist interpretation of the original intent of each amendment in the constitution. If that is a legal argument and sets precedent would anything stop states or the fed from banning any “arms” not available when that amendment was added? I don’t think anyone could argue the founders anticipated what types of weapons we have now and shootings would be much less lethal with muskets.
     
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    Did anyone tell YOU that importing guns to New York from a state that does not ban assault weapons doesn't require clearing customs?

    BTW, did anyone tell YOU that the purpose of gun control is NOT to stop the Buffalo massacre that ALREADY happened, but massacres in the future that have NOT happened yet? We have about one mass shooting a day. So there are many more to come before we get sensible gun legislation.
     
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    Or put them out of business completely making it impossible to purchase them…which is his end goal
     
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    More people are killed with hands and feet then rifles every year and over 4 times as many people are killed with knives then rifles . joe should ban knives and hands and feet .
     
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    ...in violation of federal law.
    Thus, it is a little intellectually dishonest to say they aren't banned dn a specific area.
    DC v Heller
    Caetano v Massachusets

    Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
     
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    Well, sure.
     
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    After all the time it took to research thew validity of your arguments, how are you ignorant of the fact that "importing" a gun across state lines that does not involve an FFL and a background check is a federal felony?

    After all the time it took to research thew validity of your arguments, how are you ignorant of the fact the shooter legally bought his 'assault weapon' in the state of NY - a state that has a ban on 'assault weapons'?
     
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    You think a white supremacist who is out hunting black people would CARE?
     
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    That's an odd way to admit your "import form out of state" nonsense is exactly that -- but I accept your concession.

    Maybe you should take -more- time to research the validity of your arguments.
     
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    I recently drove into Mexico. The search at the border was extremely cursory. I could have easily transported a whole bunch of weapons across the border with me. But it's still a fact that they are banned in Mexico.

    It's not a serious legal argument. If it were, First Amendment protections wouldn't extend to things like the radio, television, or the Internet. Do you think the freedom of religion should only apply to religions that existed when the First Amendment was adopted?

    The Founding Fathers saw technological innovation happening even in their day. I suspect that they could reasonably anticipate that technological advancement would continue, and there would be more capable arms in the future. Personally, I think that's why they chose to use a generic term like "arms" rather than a specific one like "muskets". Either way, I'm glad they did.
     
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    Not anti gun but dems don’t have the votes to enact any gun control laws.
     
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    How did he buy it legally in a state with a ban on them?
     
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    Simple.
    The gun he bought was not an 'assault weapon' - it had a fixed magazine.
    He illegally converted it into one by modifying the gun.
    Funny how you do not hear that on the news.
     
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    Really?
    I hear 80-90% of the people support the laws they want to enact.
    If that's true, why don;t they have the votes?
     
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    Still amazing Biden found the resources to visit Buffalo, yet couldn't scrape anything together to visit those "evil white people" who got run over by that saint of a black man that was just pursuing what the Leftist agenda told him to do=) So peculiar who Democrats choose to show support to. Its almost as if it fits an agenda or something. Look a squirrel!!!!
     
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    Didn’t you hear? Precedent doesn’t hold any weight anymore.
     
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    I'm sorry you don't like the answer to your question - but it -is- the answer.
     
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    I don’t follow mass shooting news. Just how it is and we’ll never be able to stop it.
     

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