Is there a right to abortion, and if so, where does the right come from?

Yeah, sure... as I pointed out:

"Person" or "persons" appears 98 times in the Constitution. "Baby," "child," "fetus," "mother," and "woman" aren't mentioned."​

Why are you spinning? No one who understands history believes issues around abortion even crossed their minds.

 

So, now you're saying we should ignore the Constitution. Egads.

You're like a guy with one foot nailed to the floor trying to walk forward.

 

You're a spent force on this issue.

 

Passing a bill would have stirred up political conflict and we don't know how that would have played out.

Having no law against abortion is not extreme, so I can't imagine what would be "extremist/absolutest." Canada has no abortion law and a lower abortion rate than we have.

I don't believe Republicans will be happy with pro-choice operatives openly thwarting their state laws by sneaking in Mifepristone and Misoprostol, and spiriting women off to blue states. The next step will almost certainly be an effort to secure a national law.

We know from a half-century of opinion surveys that about 2/3 of Americans believe abortion should be entirely between the woman and her doctor during the first trimester.

Huh? How is the father marginalized after the child is born?

Oh, I'm aware there are penalties for misrepresenting your views to get on a jury.

 

Says the man in the mirror.

 

Evade and now younhabe to make stuff up. It is not my problem you do not understand the meanings of the DoI and Constitution and the role each played in our history. Oh well.

 

A belief in God does in my observation.

You just explained Belief.

As a nonbeliever (not atheist or agnostic), I believe people are happiest when they are as free as possible from government domination of their lives.

 

They don't have to be they are not mutually exclusive of each other nor does it make a distinction or exemption. The DoI is clear, CREATED with.

 

And explained the language used for you.

 

Obviously, but I was referring to your so-called "Liars for Jesus".

I just explained a critical flaw in their God/religion-based argument.

Like I said, if you believe God granted us our inalienable, inherent natural rights, then you are defying God when you try to take those rights away from others.

Unfortunately, I don't think Americans value individual freedom as much as they used to. Many of them can't get enough of the over-bloated, over-expensive and over-intrusive government that is devouring their freedom and prosperity.

 

Who are you kidding? I had the distinct pleasure of teaching students about the most important revolution in history. You would do well to learn about the amazing revolutionaries.

 

Yes they work the same and the Plan B is EMERGENCY meaning if the woman forgot to take her other or was not taking it at all she can take the emergency dosage even if just to confirm her already ingested normal BC. I don't know what the discussion is here both are widely available and the RvW decision will not change that nor would I support any move to do so.

They are not "lifeforms" they are part of a "lifeform" one of it's thousands of specialized cells that makeup that lifeform. Any statements about cells in the mucus in your nose or skin being "lifeforms" have no biological basis and show a misunderstanding of basic cellular biology.

I'm not going to sit here an type out an entire course in biology and embryology for you. Go learn about cell differentiation, specialization and embryology.

Pro-abortion is supporting freely accessable legal abortion for any reason, it is NOT about FORCING someone to have an abortion. It is FOR the current legal standing of abortion, do you support that yes or no?

Baby is a stage of life from the get go as in unborn baby. As in the ultra sound tech asking the mother if she is sure she wants to know the sex of her baby or if she wants to look at her baby and or when the expectant mother tells her husband their baby is kicking does he want to feel it kick.

Family Doctor:
Taking Care of You and Your Baby While You’re Pregnant
https://familydoctor.org/taking-care-of-you-and-your-baby-while-youre-pregnant/

Safe Baby Monitor:
How To Take Care Of Your Unborn Baby
https://www.safebabymonitor.com/take-care-unborn-baby/

US Department of Health and Human Servies
Right now, your OB or midwife is monitoring the health of your unborn baby.
https://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/getting-ready-baby/health-care-baby/

Fox Valley Mother and Unborn Baby Care, Inc.
https://www.fvmubc.org/

Ankura Hospital
Prenatal Care: Protection For Your Unborn Baby
https://www.ankurahospital.com/prenatal-care-protection-for-your-unborn-baby/
WebMD

Bonding With Baby Before Birth
Making a connection with your unborn child can strengthen the bond you share, make you feel closer, and enrich you and your baby's lives.
https://www.webmd.com/baby/features/bonding-with-baby-before-birth#1

Your Baby's Growth and Development In the Third Trimester of Pregnancy
https://www.webmd.com/baby/pregnancy-your-babys-growth-development-months-7-to-9

University of California San Francisco
Tobacco, alcohol and drugs can have harmful effects on anyone's health. When a pregnant or nursing woman uses these substances, her baby also is exposed to them, for all substances cross the placenta through the umbilical cord and enter into the baby's bloodstream.
https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/substance_use_during_pregnancy/

National Institute of Health
"you can take steps to keep yourself and your baby healthy throughout pregnancy, and after."
https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2017/01/pregnancy-beyond

How about internationally
Britians NHS
Antenatal care and the baby's development
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/

I don't know that a woman doesn't have that right and I bet there are pro-abortion supporters who would claim that she does. But you are try to pull a rabbit out your hat now.

That is what the pro-abortion side WANTS it to be but the legal argument about LIFE supercede's anything about choice and no one is wanting to stop the EXETREMELY rare if ever abortion to save the mothers life, if the mother is going to die then so will the child. And we are not South America where it is you are talking about.

Why are you afraid to express YOUR opinion, anything you have to say about the matter then carries no weight, if you can't express your position on the act of abortion then you should have no further say in the matter of it's legality.

 

Well I feel sorry for them for your knowledge shown here of both our founding documents has been lacking on the facts.

 

The reference is to the willingness of Believers to sacrifice principle for the end of limiting abortion.

One would think, but that isn't the case with abortion and organized religion.

They're freedom and economic wellbeing are being gobbled up by wealthy folks.

 

It established THESE United States as the Congress of those United States as one nation and set forth the principles upon which it was being founded. They tried one organization of the GOVERNMENT of that nation which did not work so they created a new for of the GOVERNMENT which did. It was the people of the United States which established that Constitution for the United States which was already in existence.

 

You have your work cut out for you.

 

Yeah, wealthy folks in Washington DC getting wealthier and more powerful at our expense.

I've seen it with my very own eyes. When I was growing up in the Northern Virginia area just outside DC many moons ago it was a predominantly agricultural and middle class area. Now, that's been all paved over for the nomenklatura and apparatchiks in the federal government and it's one of the richest areas in the country:

List of highest-income counties in the United States

 

No it doesn't.

 

Not with your non-sequitur. Go ask how many support restrictions on abortion, how many support third trimester abortions and get back to me.

 

Always has, always will. Some people like to pretend otherwise....

 

Never has, never will. Some people like to pretend otherwise.

 

Your explanation is BS. You call the preamble explicit and unambiguous. But claim the use of the word men in it is generic.
Complete opposite positions.

Oh well.

 

Bluesguy said: ↑
The DoI which predates the Constitution is EXPLICT and UNAMBIGUOUS.
dairyair said: ↑
...
Definition of explicit


1a : fully revealed or expressed without vagueness, implication, or ambiguity : leaving no question as to meaning or intent

dairyair said: ↑
I do believe in today's world, rights to apply to women.

Bluesguy said: ↑
Yes "man" is used generically.

Bluesguy said: ↑
Yes I already explained that to you and showed you the man/men is also a generic term,

Bluesguy said: ↑
Yes and explained why it applies to women which you apparently disagree. Oh well.

... Bogus explanation. generic and explicit are opposite.

 

Like I said, you can't be pro-choice unless you're pro-legalized abortion...

 

Yes you can.