Putin:Russia has no problems with Finland &Seden joining NATO.

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Stalin was a mass murderer of millions and enslaved millions more but in a very real sense he saved the world. Hitler's conquests to 1941 made him look to bettering Napoleon and with Japan he might well have taken the USA too. Stalin beat him in 4 years.

    Putin is a piker indeed, but he could very well be the last human dictator in history
     
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    You're kidding right? What about China?
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You actually think Bush (W?)was worse than Trump? How?
     
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    Not at all. Most fans couldn't put two sentences together about the USFL.
     
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    I've never stated otherwise.
     
  6. David Landbrecht

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    Stalin instead of Hitler was a difference without a distinction. Only the specificities of atrocity existed.
     
  7. David Landbrecht

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    Nothing surpasses the catastrophic misuse of the position of Administration the Bush League visited upon us. America's interests and power have never recovered. The world is a worse place due to him and his.
     
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    @Durandal
    To logically come to your conclusion, one would have to hold to the assumption that our Justice Department is unjust and would prosecute maliciously and falsely under the orders of then President Trump. Is this your belief?

    Otherwise, someone stating an opinion of what may be criminal or not is not in any way a threat. I would say it's even less of one under then President Trump who very publicly had no control over what the Justice department did as the Justice Department illegally and actively sought to undermine his Presidency from the very beginning.

    Only sheer lunacy or blind hatred of the Orange Man could cause one to to think what Trump said was a threat.
     
  9. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's not "sheer lunacy or blind hatred." It's holding an elected official to the high standard to which we must hold people in such positions of power and trust. Trump repeatedly violated the public trust in his self-service, and his attempt to steal the election in 2020 is perhaps just the most egregious example of that. It does not need to be a crime charged by DOJ to be wrong, etiher. He was impeached twice for wrongs that were not necessarily criminal but were impeachable offenses.

    However, it remains to be seen what he ultimately will be charged with, if anything, stemming from those particular actions. All I know is that he under investigation in Georgia for it and that, once again, it has nothing at all to do with party or politics, but with holding the man to account and enforcing the laws on the books.
     
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    Russia has China and we are learning how badly we need China after China closed down Shanghai where many of the products we get from China come from there. Is it possible this shutdown in China is fake and intended to hurt the US?
     
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  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Would you rather be speaking German?
     
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    The "high standard" fall-back position. The first problem with this is that not everyone believes in inequitable standards. I don't. I believe everyone should be held to the same standard. Leftists commonly believe in inequitable standards. They apply high standards to their enemies and none to their friends. A good example of this are the rioters over the summer and at the Trump inauguration compared to the those at the Capitol.

    The second problem is that you rely on what you perceive to be a "good moral standard" when the founders of the U.S. knew this was a very bad idea. What one relies upon instead is a balance of powers as well as a limitation of powers. Remember, most Russians consider Putin to have a "high moral standard". However, this is worthless because Putin's power is too great and not balanced. Holding officials to a "high standard" inevitably leads to dictatorship.

    The third problem is the "high standard" comes back to bite you in the ass. Zelensky has hidden money in tax safe havens. Zelensky revealed that the prosecutors were his in the well publicized conversation he had with Trump. Zelensky was prosecuting his political rival prior to the war for treason. If one's going to do the "high standard" thing, the west shouldn't give Ukraine a thing until they depose Zelensky. In fact, many in the west are stating this.
    "Violating public trust in his self-service" is the language of a leftist.
    And Biden successfully stole the 2020 election. Do you have a point? Once again, high standards for your enemies - none for your friends.
    Once again, double standards.
    Anything the House of Representatives can get a majority vote for will result in impeachment. Impeachment is simply a trial. The fact that leftists here believe that being put on trial makes one guilty makes me wonder how different they are from Putin.

    Your post reminds me of Star Trek's Cardassians. "Of course you're guilty, it wouldn't be fair to put the innocent on trial!"

    The fact that the Democrats did impeachment twice without the trial coming even close to removing Trump shows how willing they are to use politically motivated prosecutions. Democrats then project this behavior onto their enemies.
    What he's charged with is irrelevant. Leftists would charge a ham sandwich with treason if it offended them. It's been over a year with the full conversation on tape. Any charges at this point would clearly be politically motivated.
    The investigation was started over a year after the fact by a newly elected DA looking to make a name for herself. It is clearly a show which is 100% politically motivated. But as you stated from the beginning, double standards are fine by you.
     
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  13. David Landbrecht

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    Are you under the impression that there was ever a possibility that Hitler could have taken over the entire world?
    Stalin saved nothing. He sacrificed vast quantities of Russia and Russians for himself and his power. No favors on his part were ever done for "the world". Both he and Hitler were classic sociopathic leeches on the body of humankind.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Who would have stopped Hitler if Stalin had not? What would Britain and America have done if Stalin had surrendered and then thrown in with Hitler in early 1943?
    Stalin did all the things you said and more, but he is the main reason Hitler committed suicide in 1945 instead of consolidating his gains and preparing to invade North America.( He would have lost anyway. We had the bomb and Hitler didn't.)
     
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    No.
     
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    The thought crossed my mind, but I don't think so. They're doing real damage to their economy, especially their status as a reliable supplier.
     
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    Hitler's economy would have ground into dust just like any socialist economy does. Hitler was the reason why Hitler committed suicide. His embrace of autarky and socialism doomed Germany from the beginning. Even if the U.S. had not supported Russia, and Germany managed to defeat Russia, Germany still would have collapsed under socialism and autarky.

    https://share.america.gov/america-sent-equipment-to-soviet-union-in-world-war-ii/
     
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    So far, Biden has vastly outpaced Trumps failures.

    I am sure if the election was conducted today, Trump would do better than Biden.
     
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    Maybe. However, stupid trumps narcissistic evil.
     
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    The current economic mess is Trump's fault, actually. It's due to his quantitative easing and his failure to ensure that we had sufficient refining capacity for when demand for oil inevitably recovered post-lockdowns.
     
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    Germany didn't seem to be collapsing from 1933 to 1943
     
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    It's not hurting China's economy but it sure is impacting ours.

    China’s first-quarter GDP beats expectations to grow 4.8% year-on-year

    PUBLISHED SUN, APR 17 202210:00 PM EDTUPDATED MON, APR 18 202210:08 AM EDT
     
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    As if Biden is not? There is a massive problem with both parties and their candidates.
     

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