Is The Only Way Out Of This Mess Deflation/Depression?

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  1. 19Crib

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    Welcome to California. Home of “Last Known Address” voting.
     
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    THEY ARE FREE IN EVERY STATE THAT REQUIRES THEM.

    The government doesn't track you that is YOUR job to keep your registration current so take some responsibility for yourself.
     
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    But!
    IF, Federal, State, and Local Governments are going to require an ID to vote, then, Federal, State, and Local Governments need to include IN the Voter ID legislation an implementation of the ID they are requiring, such that everyone required to have on gets one.
     
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    I disagree. I started another thread but no one seriously responded to the idea in it.

    Inflation is "needed" to prevent recession?

    I think the economics behind the idea are absurd, that continued inflation is "needed" to "prevent a recession".
    What it really is is they know the music will have to come to an end sometime and they are trying to just delay it.


    Also this was pointed out in another thread:

    "Democrats are in DENIAL that Democrat policies are to blame.
    If all this inflation really is just caused by temporary supply chain issues, as is claimed, then shouldn't we see prices begin to drop back down soon?
    China and India are beginning to buy oil from Russia, which should cause oil prices on the world market to drop back down.

    I suppose that will be the test, won't it? If prices drop back down to what they were, then we will know that the inflation was just caused by supply chain issues. If, on the other hand, they don't, if prices don't start falling back anywhere near what they were, then we will know for certain that this inflation was caused by an increase in the amount of money the government has printed."

    Are you feeling Biden's inflation yet?
     
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  5. independentthinker

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    Ummmmmmmmmmmm, he had to wait until he was 18 AND he had to show an ID and he had to undergo a background check.
     
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    LOL. It's your responsibility to make sure you have a valid ID. Are you saying you could afford an ID but when it came time to renew, you were to poor?
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just described an illegal immigrant, someone who is ineligible to vote!
     
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    Ummmmmmmmmm, inflation is rising rapidly under Biden and it's not just gas prices. It is everything.
     
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    LOL. The democratic district should make sure they have enough voting machines! In any event, I've had to stand in line for hours to vote, why can't others? No eligible voters are being denied their chance to vote. If you stand in line for hours then you should stay in line.
     
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    if people have to stand in line for hours on end this year, that should be fixed by the next year or it's intentional

    eldely and disabled people have a much harder time waiting in line
     
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    Overall prices people pay will never drop back down to where they were before, overall. Yes, of course certain categories, like the price of gas, have gone up and down and could theoretically return to where they were, as they have done in the past. But, overall prices will never go back down to where they were, except for if we actually hit a depression, which wouldn't be a good thing. Democrats have taken a fire that was burning and poured gasoline on it with their policies. What wasn't actually their fault in the beginning they turned into a nightmare for everyone.
     
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  12. independentthinker

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    What, do you have a crystal ball? We should return to the kind of voting we had pre-pandemic. No ballots mailed out unless requested by bonified individuals with special circumstances, not every John and Jane Doe who wants one. No early voting before a certain point, and no counting of any ballots after election day. None. And, everyone who votes has to prove they are an eligible voter.
     
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    If they could even reverse a little bit, going back closer towards the direction they were before, that would prove a point.

    We all know they won't.

    Most of this is being caused by monetary inflation.
     
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    BUT! In places where it took a lot of time to tally results there were a lot of changes and stupid rules the inhibited prompt counting. I agree, without taking anything away from the States, there needs to be National Standards that need to be met for National elections. Which, it could be argued, only happen every four years when we vote for President and Vice-President.
     
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    Oh, please—we have collectively painted ourselves into a corner over the last forty years. Joe could be a top flight economist and he wouldn't be able to solve the problem. IMO, the last hit of money was a bit much, but we'd have inflation anyway because of supply issues that were inevitable.

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    No one has addressed this problem.
    There are other options rather than deflation that drives up real interest rates.

    We're all so damn greedy—rich and poor alike—we may end up with a nasty recession because we can't bring ourselves to do things economists can conjure up to cool inflation without having to slam on the brakes by raising short term interest rates.
     
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    We've been having over 8% inflation for over 40 years?
     
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    Correct. Trying for no inflation would mean we slip into deflation from time to time and in so doing push up real interest rates.
    Covid caused a demand shift from in-person services to goods. Our imports from China went up 25%. There's no way our supply chains can adjust quickly enough.
    We're not over covid because demand for in-person services is weak, masked by pent up demand that's temporary.
     
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    No, but we have this problem...

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    It's causing tremendous social unrest.
     
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    You are correct.

    Many families will become either house poor or homeless.

    When 7 in 10 say that they can't save money it will spell doom to many small and specialty businesses.

    And some of the high end corporate jobs are already being trimmed because they know that their cash flow is going to be impacted.

    The CNN cut and run layoffs were just a preliminary sign of the slippery slope. Meanwhile, Biden is rejoicing in his apparent success in making it harder for families to take road trips.
     
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    Income inequality is a myth. The rich get richer and the poor get richer. Every year the poor get richer than they were before and have a better standard of living. It doesn't matter what the Jones's are doing. It is irrelevant. The poor get richer all the time and have for centuries.
     
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    This has been going on for four decades, no matter which party was in power...

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    So? Did you not read my post? The poor get richer every year and have a better standard of living every year. It doesn't matter what's happening with the Jones's. That is totally irrelevant. We can all get richer. The rich do not take from the poor. That is just the big lie. Why do you believe the world was created in 1968? You are a creationist.
     
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    I drive a car, easy for me to get there

    why is an expired id not as good at being an id?
     
  24. LangleyMan

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    Nonsense. It's real. I made $3.05/hour, double time on Sunday, as a grocery store clerk in January 1964. That's $28.38 today, $56.76 on Sunday. There are lots of jobs like that.

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    Even with the benefits of improved technology, the middle class is hurting.
     
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    don't need one, if long lines this year, you have an issue to fix before next year

    Republicans, gotta love them, no early voting? why is that?

    then count mail-in ballots first and if a Dem is wining, I guess we can quit counting if past election day - just kidding, you count every vote, why would we not?
     
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