The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers

If armed and trained professionals can't stop a gunman, how can a teacher be expected to?

Hardcore opponents of gun control in the U.S. often respond to school shootings by proposing to arm teachers or add armed security guards to schools. But the inability of police to stop the gunman at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, before he killed at least 19 children and two teachers Tuesday exposes the poor reasoning behind that proposal.

While all the details of the shooting are not yet clear, authorities’ accounts revealed that the gunman was confronted by multiple armed police officers — yet they were unable to stop him before he killed nearly two dozen people.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...ws-why-arming-teachers-wouldn-t-have-n1295693

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Count on the NRA, Cruz, Trump and Abbott to claim that arming teachers is one of the solutions.

Reality has no hold on these types of politicians who are in the pocket of the gun lobby.

 

Did any of the teachers have a gun in this school? Yes or no?

 

The school resource officer was shot as he engaged the shooter. Teachers equally armed might have also been able to try to stop the shooter. One wonders why the police hadn't been able to keep the shooter from getting to the school, but those details aren't getting a lot of coverage. We still don't have all of the details from the assault of the grandmother, and we don't have the details of the police chase. Perhaps those can help to actually focus the conversation.

 

Twenty years ago, armed guards were required in all schools.

But the mass shootings continued.

So we need metal detectors too.

But that didn't work either.

Now we have to arm the teachers and turn the schools into bunkers.

There is no limit to running away from the real problem.

 

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Did armed and trained professionals stop the gunman? Yes or no?

 

Irrelevant to the OP. The OP makes the case that armed teachers did not stop this shooting and as such the idea itself is shown to be false. If no teachers were armed then the premise of the OP is false.

 

Did armed and trained professionals stop the gunman? Yes or no?

 

Wow, you're just slathering that horse manure like warm butter, aren't you?

The simple fact is that you can't admit the implausibility of the odds of your solution has to being any more effective than a bunch of trained law enforcement officers equally armed as the shooter. That's truly magical thinking at its finest!

 

Yes..... In fact he was stopped by another person with a gun he was shot by another person with a gun

 

But not really stopped.

 

He he was shot dead before he could keep killing people.

How many more do you think he would have killed if he met no armed Resistance? Till he ran completely out of bullet or victims?

 

We will never know.

 

Wasn't he stopped with a person with a gun?
Fail

 

Well you know the answer to get a train armed professional stop him and the answer is yes.

And you also know if no one was there to stop him he would have kept shooting until he ran out of victims or bullets

 

Reading this thread I had the thought:

Arm the teachers. Great fun until the teacher has a 'bad day' and decides to shoot some kiddies, or some kid pulls the gun from teacher's holster. Etc.

 

Not to begin the incredible stress of metal detectors, guards, teachers with guns at school. Is this the learning environment we want our children subject to? The absurdity is overwhelming and visible to everyone around the world (aside from a few RW gun nuts in the US).

 

They have zero ideas of the details of this case. If there were at least several armed police officers who were present in shooting at the suspect it's obvious the suspect was in some sort of a tactically superior position

Now they wish to act like just because he wasn't stopped with one magic bullet as soon as it started and armed resistance is somehow no good

 

Nope, the point is that trained people had a very tough time taking this guy down, do you really think a teacher would done better?

 

You have zero idea about the specifics of this case. They're also cases where a would be Mass shooter starts and is put down right away.

But you have never let a lack of information stop you from rushing into judgment so why start now?

 

Sure...AFTER killing 19 people!

That's the FAIL!

 

Would you like me to mention you in the post in another thread that someone just posted where witness said that the witnesses at the crime scene were urging officers to go inside and they stood around basically with their thumb up their ass until tactical officers of the border patrol went in?

It sounds like the same exact thing that got such a high body count at the school shooting in Florida several years ago with Nicholas Cruz as the shooter.

Were they waiting on a personal invitation?

 

Again, was a teacher armed? Yes or no?

 

You repeat, I'll repeat. Circles are fun!

 

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Did armed and trained professionals stop the gunman? Yes or no?

 

Irrelevant to the OP. The OP makes the case that armed teachers did not stop this shooting and as such the idea itself is shown to be false. If no teachers were armed then the premise of the OP is false.