How to ban guns without firing a single shot...

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  1. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I’m 100% sure that stupid Xoe will be going to work on that now.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    It does no such thing. Actual evidence not only suggests that gun control doesn't stop mass killings it aids and abets them. You are more likely to be killed with a knife or beaten to death than shot with an assault rifle. You are not solving anything. All gun control is at this point is the left's form over substance appeal to emotion.
     
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    Except of course for the fact that country's with gun control have LESS mass shootings than we do.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Apples and oranges. Generally older populations, were way less violent than the US before they had gun control.
     
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    Nope, sorry.
     
  7. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    1: The assault weapon ban did nothing to lower anything.
    2: All this does is get old broken guns turned in. Its already been shown that is all that it does.
    3: "cop-killing" bullets are defined as armor penetrating bullets. They are already banned. So you got your wish.
    4: "high-capacity magazine" ban is useless. Shooters will either simply toss the gun when it empties and grab another that's holstered or they'll re-load faster than you can blink. Tons of video's showing this being done. Not to mention they're really easy to make. So easy in fact that my freshmen year daughter can do it.
    5: Useless.
    6: Such was already required before. It failed to do a bit of good.
    7: Sure, if you would agree to require the same thing for every single Right that you hold. .... NOT.
    8: No.
    9: Sorry, but not Constitutional. And no, not because of the 2nd Amendment. The Federal government may only regulate interstate sales. Intra-state sales are only able to be overseen by the individual States.
    10: Courts already have that ability. They just can't do it unless they have evidence. It's called the "Due Process" clause which falls under the 5th and 14th Amendments.
    11: So, 18 year olds are able to go to war and carry guns but can't be trusted to carry a gun at home? Get outta here with that crap.
    12: Define an "assault weapon". Because going by that generic phrase it could include anything from a toothpick to a gun. IE: Anything that can be used as a weapon can be considered an "assault weapon".
    13: No. The ONLY point in doing so is to make the cost of guns higher preventing poor people from owning a gun. You know, the people that tend to live in the most crime ridden areas and as such need the protection a gun affords them. Gun manufacturers ARE NOT responsible for the actions of idiots.
    14: Not possible. A gun really is a simple tool. Easily modifiable BECAUSE they are so simple.
    15: There really is no need. What needs to be done is already known. And it doesn't involve guns. Nor does it have to.
    16: False. And No.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Mental Health Reform.
    Education Reform.
    Justice Reform.

    Address those and you'll see ALL crime lessen.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Just because YOU consider it irrelevant doesn't meant that it is. Like it or not PEOPLE kill people. Not guns. Guns can't do **** on their own. That is FACT. That is REALITY. You can choose to ignore reality and fact if you wish. The rest of us won't.
     
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    I was paddled in school. I didn't grow up disrespecting my teachers, my parents, or other adults. If I was paddled wrongly my parents stood up for me. When I was paddled rightly I got grounded by them.
     
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    Your "smart gun" would have gotten this kid's mother and probably him killed.

     
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    If you truly cared about saving lives then stop focusing on inanimate objects. Focus on the reasons that this crap is happening. And its not guns forcing them to do this crap.
     
  13. Kal'Stang

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    Its really not. You can find dozens of recipes on the net using common household items.
     
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    can't imagine such a reason, send the kid home if they are misbehaving, no reason for a teacher to hit a child
     
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    I notice there wasn't any suggestion to amend the constitution... why is that? That is, after all, the legally prescribed method to alter civil rights.
     
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    It was generally the Principal.
     
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    there was so many horror stories back then, male teachers enjoying spanking little girls a bit too much, ect....

    even pastors can take this too far, if they "feel" disrespected, they turn to violence to convert a child to their views

    "Pastor: I punched a kid ‘as hard as I could’ for ‘not taking the Lord serious’"

    https://discover-the-truth.com/2015...d-as-i-could-for-not-taking-the-lord-serious/
     
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  18. garyd

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    Yep. You can have your own opinion but facts are facts. And you have none.
     
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    How about self defense or in defense of another child?
     
  20. Golem

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    Oh Dear God! You have GOT to be kidding me. Colombia is NOT in Central America.

    So let's add geography to the many areas you need to improve before we can expect to have a serious dialogue with you.
     
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    Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids

    Firearms were the leading cause of death for kids one and older for the first time in 2020, the most recent year for which CDC data is available.

    Why it matters: The firearm death rate among children is steadily rising, as more kids are involved in gun-related homicides like Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, as well as suicides and accidents.

    By the numbers: Nearly two-thirds of the 4,368 U.S. children up to age 19 who were killed by guns in 2020 were homicide victims, per the CDC. Motor vehicle crashes, formerly the leading cause of death for kids one and older, killed nearly 4,000 children.

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america

    I guess we need more guns. You know, to makes the kids safer.
     
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    Facts?
    Anyway, here is a brilliant condemnation of blind, Conservative, "rights" ideology, tweeted yesterday:

    @JaneCaro
    May 25

    "America: the land where women are forced to give birth because of 'right to life', where men are free to buy weapons of deadly capacity because of 'right to bear arms', and where few can see the contradiction."

    Meanwhile Governor Abott bleats about mental illness - to divert the debate from sensible gun control - while refusing to fund it.





     
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  23. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    Whatever, dude...lol. You still think Mexico gets most of its guns from the states.
     
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    Yeah as if such bloody minded leftist insanity prevents anything. And yeah the mental illness, largely the creation of leftists policies during the pandemic, is the problem so leftist must above all else avoid discussing it since that leads back to leftist rules that make it all but impossible to take even the most seriously screwed up individual off the streets until he kills someone.
     
  25. Golem

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    The assault weapon ban was not INTENDED to lower anything significantly in just 10 years as compared to pre-assault weapon ban. It was intended to do so long term. And the number did NOT increase, and rather went down slightly during the ban. But post-assault weapon there was an increase of 183% in mass shootings and 239% in deaths. However, the 1994 assault weapon ban had many loopholes that we now know how to patch. So this is not about repeating that.

    Read again. I must add that "broken guns" will eventually be all guns, since there will be no sale of parts for reparis.

    Tefflon-coated bullets are illegal. There are still other compositions that need to be addressed.

    See part in bold at the top of OP. I guess I should have explicitly included this in the Irrelevant Arguments list, given that they keep using it.

    The eliminated arguments have ZERO content.

    See irrelevant argument 5

    I wouldn't trust ANYBODY with a gun at home. But, again, read bold text at the top of OP.

    No problem: Any firearms we choose to include in the list of "assault weapons".

    You will need to argue that with your colleagues who claim it's not a gun issue but a mental health issue. Personally I think that addressing the gun issue is the priority. After all, there are nuts in other countries. And they don't have all these mass shootings all the time. So even though addressing mental health issues is always a good thing for many reasons, I might agree with you in that this will do very little to mitigate the gun epidemic.
     
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