Coward Cops REFUSED To Save School Children's Lives During Texas Shooting

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  1. wildflower

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    With 40 minutes, the shooter could have done just as much damage using a musket.

    It might help if classrooms were locked while class is in session, along with the main entrance. Banning AR 15's won't help, because most shootings involve handguns, anyway. Even the deadliest school shooting (Virginia Tech) used handguns. And even if you did ban handguns, then the criminals will know that no one else is armed, and then all hell will really break loose. Quite a mess.
     
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    I wholeheartedly disagree with this, Ark.

    The omnipresence of guns does not cause one to live in fear of dying constantly. If that were true, the omnipresence of any weapon or object that can be used as a weapon would cause the same fears.

    I'd argue that the omnipresence of untreated mental illnesses is a threat to all of us.
     
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    Not true. Everyone knows a gun free zone is an invisible forcefield that prevents the wielder of a weapon from coming onto the grounds.
     
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    Cops are human beings. It's natural to be concerned about one's personal safety when our job involves standing in defense of others. Every time we suit up, we know that we might not make it back home.
     
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    He had already been identified.

    He posted two messages on Facebook before going to school.

    But don't ask yourself the real question: how can a country allow a crazy person to get guns so easily?
     
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    Indeed. Abbott is a clusterfuck. Between his gun laws enabling mass murderers to ply their trade easily, laws harassing women who decide to get abortions and his inability to keep the lights on in Texas, he is assaulting all Texans to flog his lapdog maga agenda.
    Let's hope Texans wake up before they let Abbott turn it into a completely regressive shithole.
     
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    Quite different when you stand idle as people are being killed and proceed to beat parents for attempting to save their children. It took an off duty border cop to put the shooter in Uvalda down and not the local PD.
     
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    When the founders wrote the 2A, the most dangerous weapon available was the musket.

    For 250 years, the 2A has not repelled any invaders.

    Instead, it has allowed American fools to be the best armed in the world.
     
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    What company are you referencing here?

    I'm not sure why people keep insisting that access to guns is "the issue" here. It's not. That has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Is there any evidence that all the people shot were not shot within the first couple of minutes of the shooter entering the classroom?
     
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    I don't watch television. Can you point me toward a link that substantiates this statement?
     
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    Country.
     
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    What better gear for an LEO on his rounds?
     
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    OK. Do you understand the issue isn't access to guns?
     
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    Not true. The most dangerous weapon was the cannon loaded with canister. A weapon capable of killing dozens in a single blast.
     
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    Although I am disappointed with the local law enforcement for not confronting the shooter or waiting to go in, I can understand their point of view, but I don't agree with it.

    Uvalde is a small town, Texas-style, in which everybody knows everyone and everyone's business. Have an argument with your girlfriend, it will be known, even to the local police eventually. According to sources, the shooter has gotten into several fights at school and may have been known to police as a troubled child as well. That being said, I think the local police knew the shooter and thought they had a good chance of talking him down. That obviously failed. But it also doesn't excuse what they did, just explains it.

    While they waited, reports indicate they were trying to negotiate with him. And if you are trying to negotiate with a person, you are not inclined to do anything either.
     
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    Exactly my point. He was a cinch to identify. He needed to be taken out of society and put where he could get treatment.

    There is nothing to ask. When a person buys a gun, the store is required to get clearance from the ATF before the transaction is completed. Why did he get clearance? Because he had no criminal record and that is how federal government does a background check. The school personnel and people who knew him, on the other hand, had clear indication of this sociopathy. His social media posts screamed sociopathy. But nobody removed him from society to a place where he could be treated. The store did what it was supposed to do and so did the ATF. Forget the guns. They aren't the problem. Sociopathic young people are the problem. It couldn't be more clear.
     
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    The police were outside for 40mins+ while the shooter was killing people. No different from that shooting in Florida where the cops stood idle.
     
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    Before killing innocent people, he had not committed any criminal act.

    He bought two AR-15s legally.

    To keep the proliferation of guns out of the news, you want us to lock people up on suspicion?

    There are millions of psychopaths in the US.

    And not all mass murderers are psychopaths either.

    And only a small fraction of psychopaths are mass murderers.

    But keep running away from the real question, reality will eventually catch up with you.
     
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    Buri, I don't get it. Why can't they understand this has nothing to do with access to weapons. Criminals don't give a damn about the rules.
     
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    @fmw, re...
    Sociopathic young people are not the problem. A failed mental health system and for-profit criminal justice system are the problems.
     
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    Not only did they mill around outside to wait for the gunman to run out of ammo before they'd go in, they actively and forcefully PREVENTED the parents from going in to try to save their kids. They tackled and dogpiled parents who dared to try. They threatened the rest with drawn tasers, and threats of arrest. This is an egregious dereliction of duty, and there must be justice.
     
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    I can tell you the position of the Sacramento County Sheriffs department: “Get in there and do what it takes to end it.”

    These cops failed to put their lives at risk to perform their most fundamental duty. BUT, the Border Patrol officer went outside his classification and manned up. (Yeah. I know there is a punch line in there somewhere!)
     
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    nevermind
     
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