Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Silver Surfer

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    That's the beginning of the end. Once they started executing their own in numbers, there is no way back.
     
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    That's the way banderites operate. They terrorise and kill innocent people. Even their own if they don't follow their official line. They rule by fear.
     
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  3. Bill Carson

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    Here's one of your fake videos....Donetsk city yesterday. Your US tax dollars at work indiscriminately shelling civilians with US weapons. Of course this was what was happening off and on for the last 8 years...and the reason for the war...so nothing new.

     
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    The Russians sowed the wind and reap the whirlwind.
    The Russians are the aggressors and deserve everything they get.
     
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    What is the time frame, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
    Russia is at the present destroying its army, with the help of the Ukraine. Most of its #1 units are destroyed, the #2 are in bad shape. Russia is already using #3 units.
    Same for equipment.
    The West has shut done the Russian defense industry, no more electronics for equipment that is 30 years behind the West, as we can see.
    It is Russia which is on display here, it has showed it is not able to fight a modern war, does not have the command capacity, the integrated combined force structure, the communication structure, its equipment for its ground forces is more then obsolete, air force the same, some nice toys, yes, but just a few, which would be NATO standard.

    With what would Russia attack, sling shots, bow and arrow, T62s, tell me.

    This is the real defeat for Russia, because it got unmasked, the myth of the Grand Armee, this Beast of the East, which everybody feared, is gone.
    It would take 1 armored Division of NATO, just 1, to finish of the Russian Army in a couple of weeks, like Sadam's Grand Armee
     
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    Nice projection. 8 years of Nazi bullshit was enough. Goodbye 2014 US Coup Ukie land, it wasn't nice knowing you.
     
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    That's just another lie. There was no coup in 2014, just the Ukrainian people ridding themselves of a Russian puppet. The Russians began this, and a bad end awaits them.
     
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    Whatever you choose to believe is fine with me. I mean, never mind the intercepted conversion with Victoria Nuland admitting to the whole damn thing. The information is out there for those who want to know the truth.
     
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    This is funny.


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    This guy gets it. A really knowledable blogger. Unfortunately, American idiots still don't get it.

    https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/

    No, it is not even the fact that Rep. Adam Kinzinger is a corrupt neocon and his main degree is in political "science", and that despite him earning his "wings" and flying safe tanker and, later, recon missions over Afghanistan (known for its world-class air force and air-defense, s/) as a member of Air National Guard, the guy has zero understanding of real war and operations. So, he pushes now a legislation on AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) should Russia use WMD in Ukraine. This boy Kizinger should ask first if he wants to take part in such a war, and then kiss his family and property goodbye, because it will be the US (always nuclear-biased) which will initiate nuclear exchange once it will meet realities of such a war. But then again, modern US establishment, including very large portions of military-intel community do not have a clue what war with Russia, even conventional one, means. It is expected from the US political elites.

    A salvo of a single pr. 941 Akula (NATO Typhoon) SSBN without leaving even its base would unleash around 200 MIRVs at the US Eastern Sea Board and would wipe out all major (from Philadelphia, New York, Boston to Charlotte, Jacksonville, Miami--the list is too long to read) cities and military bases wrecking a chaos and losses of unimaginable scale in the first 30 minutes of the US attack of Russia. And that was just one of many Russian subs, not to mention other means of delivery, which would literally eliminate the US and NATO countries as nations and functional states. That was at the height of Russia's destitution of 1990s. It was then a common knowledge that Russian nuclear arsenal was functional. Why this knowledge evaporated is the main point--it is the matter of incessant US media propaganda and BS by its policy-makers who really took a beating of the third rate Arab military of Saddam in 1991 for a real war.

    Today is 2022, Russia not only fully retained but perfected her strategic arsenal which makes US nuclear forces look like a backwater. Moreover, unlike it was the case in 1990s, the United States cannot fight Russia in her immediate geographic vicinity conventionally and hope not to sustain a defeat. As I am on record for many years, the US simply has no experience in modern times with the scale of losses and warfare it would experience if it decides to fight Russia. Russia is also fully capable to wreck havoc in the US proper without resorting to nuclear. These are the facts that neither Kinzinger nor the most of the US Congress know, not to speak of having a good grasp of it. None of them ever fought in defense of their motherland and have no clue about real consequences of a continental war with modern "peer". MacGregor does, but that is why he is not in the US Armed Forces anymore.
     
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    There are some Ukrainian soldiers marching

    They hear a voice shout from over a hill,

    “I bet one Russian can beat ten Ukrainians!”

    The Ukrainian sergeant, thinking that it would be easy, sent ten men over the hill to fight.

    They heard a fighting and noise. No Ukrainian soldiers came back.

    After a minute they heard the voice again,

    “I bet 1 Russian can beat 100 Ukrainians!”

    The sergeant, getting more annoyed now, decided to send some of his men over, to finish this Russian off.

    After a while of noise and bangs, no Ukrainian soldiers came back, and the voice shouted again,

    “I bet 1 Russian can beat 1000 Ukrainians!”

    The sergeant, thinking that 1 soldier could not possibly beat 1000, sent his troops over.

    Again, there was lots of noise, but then, silence.

    1 Ukrainian soldier returned this time, bloody and bruised, barely walking. The soldier said:

    “Don’t send any more men over; there’s actually 2 Russians.”
     
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    Jenny, even if those figures were accurate (and you haven't quoted a source) your complete ignoring the losses suffered by Russian forces. NATO estimates are that aprox 20,0000 Russian soldiers have been KIA and that's uniformed Russian soldiers, with up to another 60,000 injured. Now yes, in theory many of those injured can return to the battlefield but many don't want to and are refusing to do so.

    Russia had the equipment to form about 170 BTG's prior to commencement of the war. What it didn't have was the manpower to fill all the vacancies in those units. On paper yes. But only if conscripts were used to fill in the gaps. And since the invasion of Ukraine isn't officially a war (Russia should tell Ukraine BTW, I don't think they got the memo) conscripts can't be used, only volunteers. The result is that the majority of BTGs sent in at the start of the war went in understrength in infantry - and then suffered heavy casualties on top of that. So now?

    Putin has been forced to 'ad lib'. He cant force conscripts into the fight so he has to recruit poor rural non-ethnic Russians from the East to fill the gaps by offering sign-up bonuses (No self respecting Muscovite is going to serve in the army or fight). And on top of that he;s forced the new 'Republics' he's sponsored in Ukraine to reinstate a mass draft. And I do means mass. Those republics have literally been hollowed out of males. Men have to hide or bribe their way out of combat.Those men are then given no training, are handed obsolete weapons and forced onto the front lines. mostly in defensive positions apparently but there is also evidence that they are also sometimes being used in offensive opsOlde men with chronic medical conditions being ordered on pain of death to eat bullets for Putin. Even Moscow backed 'leaders' of these Republics admit this is whats happening! And if you don't believe me go on Telegram and look up the details for yourself. Men like Girkin & Khodakosky state this is going on.

    It's really is that simple. Russia has little or no professional infantry left. Putin won't draft ethic Russians into the fight and they won't volunteer. This is not a problem that Ukraine has BTW , at least for now though there are some hints/signs that this may be starting to change as casualties mount, albeit Ukraine already has more bodies than it has heavy equipment to support them at the moment. So Russia is literally fighting the ground war with cannon fodder.
     
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    Que sera sera. That's all you need to know for now
     
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    Is this JUSTIFYING Putin's (not Russia's but Putin's) invasion of Ukraine?
     
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    Ukraine battle intensifies as Western backers mull new military aid (msn.com)

    Capturing those three areas (Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, and Siversky) would be a feather in the hat for Putin. The Ukrainian forces are going to have to do their best to keep that from happening. You have to wonder how long can they hold out? It will be a matter of time to find out what happens from there. One never knows when that will be. That’s all I’m going to say about it for now.
     
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    I don't have the time nor patience to hold your hand and bring you up to speed since the mid 1990's through 2014, and then 2014 until now, so you are welcome to believe whatever bullshit is told to you by the U.S. government. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    I am not listening to any America BS, I listened to what Putin says, ie

    there's no planned invasion of Ukraine, America is lying to you
    every nation has the right to do as it pleases within its own borders
    this isn't an invasion and if you say it is you get 15 years in jail
    I am like Peter the Great, taking back what belongs to us, like we did with Sweden and Finland.
     
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    Willful misinterpretation of that conversation is deceit for all to see.
     
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    How long do you think it will take for the average American to figure out the CIA and other so-called 'intelligence' agencies are lying POS?

    That conversation is exactly what happened after Ukie Nationalists opened fire on the crowd and then later on Yanukovych's motorcade.
     
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    Tickets on yourself much? I take then Jenny you'll be volunteering to fight? Maybe you could lead some on those old and sick draftees armed with WW2 bolt action rifles in a charge at Ukrainian Positions. After all that's what Peter would have done. No?
     
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    It should also work without a single dollar. Pooteen's soldiers fight for the ideas of a mentally ill fascist leader. They would switch sides of their own accord if they recognized that.

    Ukraine represents the modern world with prosperity and freedom for all. :)
    Ruzzia, on the other hand, stands for oppression, poverty, barbarism, regression and dictatorship. :(
     
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    not sure who you are talking to
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Sorry .It was a misinterpretation of your comment. I don't think your the type who wants to lead an army of beaten down conscripts off to war. Off to the pub? Maybe. War? No.
     
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    Its what you tried to claim without proof. I showed proof people were fleeing that country, its up to you to show migration increased since the war.
    I know thats inaccurate though and you are misrepresenting facts to spread Russia propaganda.
     
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