Roe overturned

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  1. HurricaneDitka

    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    Just curious, why do you think that?
     
  2. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think your "forced to carry" view should be written into law?
     
  3. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Plan B. If you got raped, be responsible. Do you suppose a woman doesn't know she's had sex? And even "drugged" are you certain that they wouldn't know? Why? And if you were uncertain, why not take advantage of the pill that would alleviate your fear? I just don't get this.
     
  4. ricmortis

    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    A multi-celled fetus is much larger than any virus they would say and once it has a heartbeat, that changes everything.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your wrong .. on a number of levels . "Expressely Outlined" is grey .. and there is debate over what this extends to .. so you defacto claim is simply false.. States can't make law violating the basic principles of justice .. such as Ex Post Facto law .. making something a crime after the fact...

    https://medium.com/@faizan81/federa...een-federal-and-state-government-d9d8074edd75

    The main point I have been making .. is that the States can not make law violating the founding principles - by which law and the constitution is to be interpreted .. so does not matter whether it is in the hands of the Feds - State - Municipal-- you can't violate those principles .. just like with Ex Post Facto Law - a rule of law principle .. Just because "The Power" is in the hands of the states .. doesn't mean they can make Ex Post Facto Law. -- violate that principle.

    Was not just the Federal Gov't signed on to the constitution .. the States are signed up as well as their own constitutions mirror the Fed .. and further Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You were asked a specific question in relation to your claim -- blabbering on about things irrelevant to is deflection

    When did SCOTUS deem the single cell at conception a defacto Person ..such that it has rights including the right to life.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A heartbeat ? .. the question is whether or not a single human cell is a human .. so if your definition of a Person includes a heartbeat... the zygote doesn't make it.
     
  8. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    No, I am not wrong. There is no grey area, except when democrats start fiddling. The law is clear. Not in the constitution or foundational part of the 9th/10th amendments, belongs not to the federal government, but to the people and the states. I am sorry your civics teachers/ folks did such a lousy job teaching you these things. But then, pubic education mostly sucks, and lots of young liberals are the example.

    Again, no one made an assertion that you seem to be angry about. The law is the law. Perhaps you could take some time to learn it.
     
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    What a sexist bigoted post. Everyone knows that men can get pregnant too . . . :roflol:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't make either of those claims ... are you so out of game that you have to pretend the other person said something they did not ? come on now .. Lame strawmant fallacy doesn't cut it in the adult room

    Your nonsense false accusations have as much merit as your ridiculously false assertion that SCOTUS has ruled that the Zygote is a Person .. or your nonsense claim that a totipotent human cell is a baby .. such that the 200 clones of this cell are 200 babies ..

    Ridiculous nonsense mate .. from start to finish.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL ~ Ahh....what a great/dumb time to be alive....:D
     
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    What assertion .and you are the one that failed civics .. as then you would know that passing the test would not have taught you about the founding principles .. and how they relate to the Constitution .. and topic at hand.

    "There is no Grey Area" --- that you would say this not only affirms that you failed this civics test .. as at least this much they taught .. but you also failed reading comprehension ... having no understanding of what I posted previously.

    So perhaps try going back and reading again .. come back when you have something coherent .. something other than name calling .. and completely undrelated Ad Hom fallacy .. Who cares what the dems think .. whats your problem .. did you forget that my arguments against blue are way better than yours .. including the fact that they commit the same violations .. at which point you scream and yell .. but when Red side commits them .. all good in the hood of lost sheep and RINOs

    You have no clue what Republicanism is about mate .
     
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    You should keep your leftist ideology to yourself when you haven't a clue what a HCPC does.
    All you know is what you slurped up from your own idiotic media that you will regurgitate on command.

    Abortion bound women don't normally visit a HCPC. Why would they? They have nothing to offer them other than a free sonogram. Which shows how clueless you really are.
    Most are women contemplating abortion as a last resort because they have no other options or women who don't want an abortion but don't have the resources to take care of a baby.

    HCPCs provide clothing for women, food, toys, car seats, diapers, formula, baby furniture, (all new and donated) plus professional counseling and medical care, FREE, to women who have elected to deliver their baby but in financial stress or abandoned.

    They also provide counseling for post abortion trauma patients free of charge as well as provide secret shelters to battered women to escape an abusive spouse as well as rescue women from dangerous relationships.

    They are also preyed upon by the ignorance of individuals like yourself who don't have a clue what they do but have decided to target them because they are too illiterate to know the difference between millions of women who donate their time to helping other women and an abortion bomber.

    So go tell your BS made up clueless crap to some other leftist idiot who will slurp it up like you do.
     
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    Look. I said I am pro abortion, but if abortion is legal, then there has to be regulations. I have no issues terminating a single cell, so get over your single cell crap. But, once a MULTI-CELLED organism exhibits a heartbeat, then there becomes a moral dilemna for society on both sides of the issue.

    And, right now Abortion is legal in most states. Anyone can get an abortion anytime they want.
     
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    Which is exactly what a clueless idiotic liberal thinks about an HCPC.
    Thanks for confirming
     
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    Because its all he ever has.
     
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    And breast feed the zygote
     
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    Thats not true unless the life of the mother is at stake. The law bans abortion after 24 weeks, unless the life of the mother is at stake.
     
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    No, It's not a life until it can exist on its own without a host
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I stopped readin when you posted Colorado. They do have a clause that after 24 weeks the mothers life must be in danger
     
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    You aren't going to win any more than anti-gun forces are going to round up firearms.
     
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    Your agrumentum ad populum fallacy aside...
    And thus, turns health care into an entitlement. Just like I said.
    Post hoc fallacy.
    You cannot demonstrate the necessary relationships between the effects you cite and the cause you claim.
    Nothing here changes the fact that "Living wage" increase prices; the resulting inflation cancels out the 'living wage".
    Another argumentum ad populum fallacy.
    You may not like the fact people have the right, protected by the constitution, to contribute to the election campaigns of the candidates of their choice, and that said contributions are protected by the constitution as free speech -- but they do, and it is.
    Political speech is the rock upon which free speech rests; campaign contributions are an expression of political speech.
    Good. Prove it. Have them go first.
    ...the electorate, who choose to identity primarily as (D) or (r)
    The only way to change this is for another party to gain enough voters to make a difference.
    This requires a change in the constitution, as representatives all represent a specific district.
    Just like banning Islam does not prevent someone from exercising their 1st Amendment right.
    The 2nd Amendment protects the right to own and use "all bearable arms".
    All of them.
    Including 'assault weapons"
    So.... No.
     
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    i.e. You got nothin........

    Where did I say all life should be protected ? I showed the hypocrisy of the right in their stance on abortion, yet are pro Capital Punishment. Thus, the question, if you knew a baby would grow up and commit capital murder, would it be OK to abort it ? Its a simple question
     
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    I never claimed it did. I said that those on the right seem to be OK with government controlling other people bodies, but not their own.

    It was less than 6 months ago in the vaccine protests that the right was screaming about "my body my choice", yet today support the exact opposite when its a womans body
     
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    Oh, it does.......but you do you.....
     

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