Trump demanded Secret Service let rally attendees in with weapons

Lol, overthrowing the elections is as far from "carrying out his constitutional and executive duties" as you can possibly get. Not only have the courts confirmed the legislative purpose of the committee, but they have already dismissed your other arguments: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/subpoena-rnc-records-capitol-riot-00029265

Dude, this is almost as bad as the times when you falsely claimed that the Trump Tower meeting never happened. If you'd just do some minimal homework, you'd be better informed and would save all of us some time.

 

Sorry but your 4th and 5th and 14th rights are just as valid in Congress as in a court. And your asserting the 5th cannot be taken as admission of guilt in ANY government process or procedure. These members of Congress are violating that fundamental right.

 

Lol, dude, pleading the 5th can be seen as evidence of consciousness of guilt in civil proceedings. Just not criminal ones. And Congress has not denied ANYONE the ability to plead the 5th.

 

You are wrong. The 5th explicitly refers to criminal proceedings. It doesn’t mention Congressional enquiries.

 

This member's posts will double down on nonsense every day, all day. I must say, I could not do that EVER.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

His actions at the White House were as President and with the Presidential staff including his legal staff including the claims about what he did or not do in his official capacity.

Again what is the legislative purpose? The authorizing document proclaims it is ONLY for INVESTIGATIVE purposes the ONLY mention of legislation is a a specific restriction AGAINST legislation. The rules of the House for a legislative committee REQUIRES minority participation, of their choosing and the ranking member to be on the committee, and the right to call witnesses and present evidence which were denied.

 

"Over the years, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination applies to people testifying before Congress as part of an investigation, and in some cases, requests for records could fall into that protected category. These precedents would allow a person in appearing before Congress “to take the Fifth” in front of investigators and committee members, as well as to claim that producing documents is protected by the Fifth Amendment."
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/understanding-michael-flynns-fifth-amendment-case#:~:text=Over the years, the Supreme,fall into that protected category.

Does the Fifth Amendment apply outside of criminal trials?
Yes. Although the terms “witness” and “criminal case” naturally evoke visions of a criminal trial, the Supreme Court has long held that the Fifth Amendment applies outside a criminal courtroom.

It applies any time a person is forced to make a statement that could be used to incriminate him. A (non-exhaustive) list of situations where the Fifth Amendment applies outside a criminal trial includes: traffic stops, police interrogations, grand jury proceedings, arrests, civil depositions, civil trials, and testimony before the Unite States Congress. We examine some of these below....

Can I plead the Fifth if subpoenaed to testify or produce documents to a congressional committee?
Yes. The Supreme Court has held that the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination is available to recipients of congressional subpoenas.
https://www.burnhamgorokhov.com/criminal-defense-resources/fifth-amendment/

 

This has already been provided for you multiple times, and the courts (including Trump-appointed judges) have already ruled that your arguments are garbage. Deal with it. I understand you are very upset that Trump's corruption might get revealed. And, just because a President does it doesn't meant that it is part of his official capacity, otherwise ANYTHING Congress did would automatically be part of THEIR capacity. Didn't think that through, did you?

 

Congress HAS NOT stopped ANYONE from pleading the 5th. Many have done so. Why do you feel the need to make this **** up?

 

oh bunk. BS claims mean nothing. Nobody has given up anything. Show me the money.

 

Are you claiming that congressional investigations are illegal or unconstitutional?

 

Waiting forever it seems

 

Well, you can pretend all is cool all you want. The Fox is frantic. Fox News legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy believes Trump will be prosecuted by the Justice Department over his role in the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/f...w-mccarthy-believes-trump-will-be-prosecuted/

 

https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/f...w-mccarthy-believes-trump-will-be-prosecuted/

 

I personally doubt that, which is not to say I agree with, well, anything he's done. The DOJ is going to walk on eggshells for something like this, both in terms of not wanting to appear biased and because they know that finding a favorable jury is much harder for a former president than it is for peons like us. All the defense needs is one Trump rube in the jury to throw the whole thing off, and that's going to be easy to get. No, I DO think that SOME of Trump's cult will face criminal prosecution over Jan 6th, just not Trump himself. Trump is much more likely to face prosecution over his fake elector plot than for the riot.

Even then, I don't think we'll see him behind bars. Regardless, I'll be popping the cork on champagne* the day we see an indictment for Trump for any of his numerous corrupt plots, especially as they relate to the election. Hell, if he gets convicted for that (and I hope he does) make it a national ****ing holiday. It sure as hell will be a holiday in my house. I'm just too cynical at this point to believe he'll face much justice beyond a slap on the wrist. And that makes me terrified for the prospect of our country's future.

*Disclosure: Yardmeat champagne = cheap beer

 

One Trump rube you say. Like I keep pointing out. Liberals claim to deplore steriotypes and the use of slurs and yet constantly use stereotypes and slurs.

If the machine stops the rural "rubes" will likely last a lot longer than you will. Just sayin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

 

I'm not going to apologize for not being okay with overthrowing the Constitution to install someone as an unelected dictator. But you do you. "Rube" was the nicest word I had for that.

 

I hate to break this to you, but FOX news is firmly in the liberal camp since Murdock put his son in charge. Fox is frantic my arse.

 

OK. First the strawman. Then doubling down on your use of a slur/stereotype. Not surprising. Do you understand that "rube" is a slur directed at rural white people?

 

Hun, I AM rural white people. And, no, that's not where the term comes from. And, no, it isn't a strawman to say Trump and his cultists tried to overthrow our Constitutional process and install him as an unelected dictator. That's literally what happened.

 

Someone has an opinion! No way! Lmao.

man’s when it doesn’t happen I’m sure you can find another link to another opinion that says he will be prosecuted for the next outrage.

 

What about the Afghan pullout. That's a non starter. You say out of one side of your mouth "if he stayed with Trump's policies" this is one that he did but you still don't like it. You think Trump "I know more than the generals" would have done better?!! LOL
The Keystone pipeline was never finished and would not have been for years so THAT is nothing.
The Surgeon General is a Vice Admiral in the Navy!! Are you against the Armed Forces? As far a arguing science....I'm going with the Harvard/Yale guy over you.
Immigration is a bogey man issue of the right.
Appointing people that can do the job other than..."bend the knee to me" is better.
Ya got nothing.

 

I can't believe I missed this before, but @ToddWB , the Afghan pullout was literally Trump's idea. He negotiated it with the Taliban . . . And he negotiated the release of thousands of Taliban soldiers. And he cut our Afghan allies out of the negotiations. His own people resigned and called it a capitulation. While I agree that Biden should have done more to clean up Trump's mess, it was still his mess.

 

So I mention your use of a slur and you answer back with a comment about Trump and his cultists. That is a strawman. See the definition of a strawman below.

And if you are rural and white are you self hating? Cause why use a negative stereotype and a slur to describe your own people?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one