Do you support legalizing secession?

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Do you support legalizing the secession of States from the US?

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I can't imagine have a blue nation split in two parts, one on the west coast, and one on the east coast and no land bridge between them. I don't see how it would work with Trumpland occupying all the territory in between. So I am just considering the United Western States of America. Let the North Eastern States figure out their own destiny.
     
  2. FreshAir

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    we would build a wall ;)
     
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    My opinion is somewhere between yes and no. It hardly makes sense to allow a state that is right in the middle of the country, and entirely surrounded by it, to break away. That state would be pretty much getting free protection by being surrounded by the rest of the country.

    There is one issue though, and that is that over the years federal laws have increasingly been infringing on areas of jurisdiction that should have belonged to individual states.
     
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    No. Legalizing secession would be tantamount to promoting it, which I think is a bad idea.

    That being said, it doesnt need to be 'legal' to happen. Its not like the US is going to militarily invade a state for leaving the union. This aint the 1860s.
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    The Senate was intended to be unequal.

    It's a "perpetual union" and we're doing just fine.
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  6. Hey Now

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    Hahahahahahahaha!! Yeah really.
     
  7. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    And I showed that today it makes no sense.

    Do you still bleed people and use leaches to cure the common cold too?
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    There is nothing new under the sun.

    I never thought trump was possible in this country either. Ukraine never thought Russia would ever attack them. Never doubt the evil that people like trump and putin are willing to engage.

    As for a bad idea promoting it, it is a very simple argument: Should States have the right to be free?
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    I see something more akin to an alliance between the Blue States. The new country made up of California, Oregon, and Washington is a given. We are the 5th or 6th most powerful economy in the world.
     
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    We couldnt passify Afghanistan with 20 years and $20T. A seceded ex-US state with its ex-US Nat. Guard resources and armed citizenry would be just as tough purely from a tactical standpoint, not to mention the diplomatic and political fallout from the rest of the world and our own other states if we were to attempt such a thing against ourselves. The right to secession thus already effectively exists without any need to legally legitimize it.

    I dont see any additional benefit to seeking the governments permission to secede...
     
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  11. Jack Hays

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    Actually, you did not show much other than your unhappiness at the success of your opponents.
     
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    Stop trying to minimize it or even explain it at all. Nobody should spend their lives living with their 'opponents' to see who will be the winner or loser next year. Its sadistic. Its an unhappy union and it has been for a very long time. There is no advantage to staying together just to make each other more miserable in a zero sum game, and no realistic chance for reconciliation. Its time for an amicable divorce.
     
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    it's a balancing act, too far in either direction is bad

    absolute power corrupts absolutely
     
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    Yet you cannot charge all of your electric cars at the same time when people run their air conditioner...

    Maybe you can get the government to install timers on your household car chargers because you know the citizens can't be trusted to do it at the time the government tells them to


    Edit.... Not citizens the new disarm subjects of the Confederate States of the former United States of America
     
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  15. btthegreat

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    It won't be your problem anymore if you don't live the Pacific Coast. We can figure out our own balancing act.
     
  16. btthegreat

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    You have a real problem sticking to the subject. The post you quoted did not mention electric cars. His post was about a newly constituted nation deciding no longer to trouble you conservative trumpsters in red states with our blue state issues. You can save your snark, and just be grateful we are willing to go. Nobody should feel trapped into a 2025 year old alliance that no longer functions.
     
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    He's talking about how great their state economies are when they can't even charge all of their cars at one time.

    You should just declare yourself a sovereign citizen it would make as much sense as your idea here and be just as valid.
     
  18. btthegreat

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    You should stay on topic. This topic is not about electric cars or sovereign citizenship. Its about the right of any state that joined the union volontarily to reverse the process and dissolve the relationship unilaterally. Its about self determination, liberty and freedom just like the founders decreed their independence from England.
     
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    But you are free to leave.

    https://www.mexperience.com/reasons-why-relocating-to-mexico/

    Buh-bye!
     
  20. btthegreat

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    Nope. Read the OP again. You will discover that the subject was not about a right to emigrate from the US, but secession from the US. Let's stop pretending this country is still a success story. Its time to divide up, disolve the union and move forward apart from each other instead of tearing at each other endlessly. Its an abusive co-dependent relationship and its time live apart.
     
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    OK, Ivan.

    Seriously, the OP tried to make it about freedom, specifically the freedom to leave the United States. People ARE free to leave, though. They're just not free to determine for other Americans whether they must leave also.
     
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    A group of states already tried to secede from the United States once. Are you aware of what happened then?

    You ought to get you a Southern pride tattoo, and a rebel flag for your Prius!!!
     
  23. btthegreat

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    "Do you support legalizing secession?" that looks pretty clear to me that the topic is not emigration. States joined the union as a political unit, and presumably when they did, it was not through a unanimous plebiscite. It should be no shock to you to discover that nations dissolve their boundaries all throughout history as independent movements gain momentum. Czechoslovakia split into Czech Republic and Slovakia in 1993 in peacably. And Scotland is going to have a second referendum to split from United Kingdom. Its that self determination concept the founders were talking about.
     
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    And we dead wrong to stop it. They have been nothing but a pain in the ass since! There would be no President Trump if we had let go of the South.
     
  25. btthegreat

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    So lets revisit it without the blood. The founders wrote a lot of paragraphs about the right of a people to choose a different path. Some of them are in our own declaration of independence.
     
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