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    Buttigieg: The More Painful The High Price Of Gas Becomes, The More Beneficial It Is To Have An Electric Car

    And this guy is Secretary of Transportation which is not just an infrastructure, for which is not qualified to manage, but also an economic position, which he proves in this exchanged he is totally incompetent.

    And the hearing this week he was grilled by Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-FL) on the cost of gas and electric vehicles which both can be regarded as exceptional high for the average family in America. But then there is a purpose to the high cost of the gas. To make it hurt, to make it painful to drive and ICE.

    REP. GIMENEZ: But you'd agree that the higher the price of gas, then the faster you reach that parity?

    BUTTIGIEG: Of course. The more pain that we are all experiencing from the high price of gas, THE more benefit there is for those who can access electric vehicles. That's why we're hoping you and your colleagues might reconsider opposing the reduction of UV upfront prices with tax credits.

    GIMENEZ: So, you're saying, the more pain we, have the more benefit we're going to get? I think that's what I heard you say. You said the more pain --

    BUTTIGIEG: That's what you heard me say?

    [LAUGHTER]

    GIMENEZ: That's what I heard you say.

    BUTTIGIEG: I know you want me to say it so bad. But honestly, sir, what we're saying is that we could have no pain at all by making EVs cheaper for everybody. And we would love to have your support on that.

    GIMENEZ: Make EVs cheaper by subsidizing them?

    BUTTIGIEG: That's part of it.

    GIMENEZ: That doesn't make them cheaper.

    BUTTIGIEG: Well, actually, it does.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...beneficial_it_is_to_have_an_electric_car.html



    Well he can't even keep up with what he said as he admits the high price for gas we have been paying is part of the Biden plan and then the economic illiterate statement that subsidizing something makes in cheaper. And HE is making decisions that effect us all and HE wants to be the next President.
     
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    Butti was hired because he’s competent, heck, I saw a story today of the most miserable cities in the country and Gary, Indiana was the worst. He was hired because of LGB. By chance did he explain the stress of putting all these cars on the electric grid?
     
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    Isn’t this the guy who breast feeds babies with his man-tits? Anyways, it’s all part of the plan.
     
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    You only have to listen to the first two minutes to find out how insane this is.


    'Which Uses More Electricity...A Refrigerator When It's Running Or Electric Car When It's Charging?'


     
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    In other words electric vehicles are not a good idea on their own, but we'll make the other alternative worse.
     
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    Don’t buy a used electric car, in this case replacement batteries are $14,000 and that’s without labor.

     
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    Oh jeeeeeezuz. Your post is total crackpot nonsense.

    He was saying it [subsizdizing the EVs] makes it cheaper for the buyer, for starters. Is that too complicated for you?
     
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    democrats all bought stock in EV companies along with the companies who mine the minerals and manufacture them. Before you ask who, maybe you’ve heard of this person: Pelosi.
     
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    The con also tried to lie and say the cost of a new EV according to KBB was 55,000 and after the tax credit became 60,000 — almost like they don’t understand anything they are talking about.

    New EV’s can be had for under 30k which is impressive seeing the average new car averages over 40k currently.

    Pete completely made a fool of these idiots.
     
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    Doesn't the idiot know that the only way to make cars cheaper is for the manufacturer to cut the prices of the cars. Subsidies only pass the cost unto someone else - in this case the taxpayers. So I'm paying for someone else to buy a car.
     
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    Lol there’s nowhere to even plug these damn things in yet. How is it that I live near a metropolitan city and I’ve yet to see even one in person?
     
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    Every thread we read before we bought our EV said to buy one with active cooling in the batteries. Her vehicle didn’t.

    Batteries in newer vehicles are slated to last around 300,000 to 500,000 miles
     
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    I have no clue how you haven’t — I live in a smaller and have a vacation home in a medium city, both collage towns — and I see electric vehicles everywhere.

    We have one supercharger station with 12 chargers in the smaller city, two in the medium city with close to 40 not to mention the dozen or so other places with standard vehicle charging (libraries, universities and a few grocery stores and outlets).

    You would probably be surprised how many are around you if you looked it up
     
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    That would be a game changer for me. I've not been a fan of electric cars because of the batteries. That is toxic, nasty stuff and we don't have effective recycling in place. But if they can extend the life of the batteries to that degree, that is huge! And recycling is slowly coming along but we have to watch out for constantly changing battery technology. Every change introduces new challenges for recycling.
     
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    Absolutely, I am glad the administration is moving to address these issues. I just wish they would push for nuclear energy
     
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    It is also critical to do a cradle-to-cradle energy analysis of every part on the car; esp the batteries.

    New battery technologies might be wonderful but they can also be energy pigs to produce. This can hide huge losses. Ultimately this is reflected in the price. So that is a gauge of energy use.
     
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    What you are proposing is an impossibility. How can a population of nearly 400 million just ditch their gas cars and go electric? It’s not even possible. The infrastructure isn’t there. It will take decades before EV’s have completely taken over (assuming they even do). You are talking about 30k cars, but there are plenty of people out there who can’t even afford a 5-10k old beater. What the hell are they to do? You’re basically saying that the answer is to run out tomorrow and take a 30k loan.
     
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    Nuclear energy can never replace petroleum - not using current technologies. Calculate the total energy that we get from fossil fuels each year in gas and diesel, natural gas, and coal. Then calculate how many nuclear power plants we would have to build to replace that energy supply. Then calculate the cost of that, the lifespan, and decommissioning costs, and how fast we would have to be constantly building new nuclear power plants. Then figure out where we would put them all.

    I've done the calculations. It can never happen.
     
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    Solyndra x 500. The new boss is the same as the other old boss(Obama). Picking and choosing winners based on who donates to the DNC, quality of life for Americans be damned.
     
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    Oh yes, because of the cost and the very long ROI, nobody will fund nuclear power plants except governments.

    So nuclear power is socialized power. It is communist power. ;)
     
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    No one is suggesting that everyone switch to EV’s tomorrow — as you stated our infrastructure alone couldn’t handle it. What we should be doing is preparing for that however — the future isn’t ICE (I am not going to say it is electric because there may be other more efficient forms of power) and it is autonomous.

    We should start moving in that direction. Our power grid is already completely out of date and vulnerable to attack — even if electric cars didn’t exist it still needs modernization.
     
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    We also have solar, wind, hydroelectric as well as traditional ones such as NG and coal. Our grid needs to supplement itself with various forms of energy.
     
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    Exactly what the Congressman was trying to convey to him without making him look like an economic dunce but instead of bowing out he went onto subsidies enable product of scale and that lowers cost............................................................................................................eventually. While in the meantime those of us who can't go out and by a reasonable EV will subsidize the highest earners buy theirs and Buttigieg wants even MORE subsidies for them.
     
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    Nope nor all the coal it will take to power them.
     

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