Handcuffed woman dies after deputy forgets to shut patrol car door, GA officials say

If the person is in police custody? ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY YES!

 

So why aren't prison guards charged with manslaughter when someone kills themselves in custody?

 

They have a good lobbying group.

 

Good one. Right, that's me out.

 

Only this part counts. While the bulk of the guild is still on the cops.
As noted. A person working for Fedex would be fired for losing cargo like this.
These cops simply wouldn't be able to hold a job in the real world.
So it's time to get fired, send to jail and pay up.

 

Well, cargo can't decide to lose itself. I can well imagine its a fireable offence, but jailable? I doubt it, unless she was obviously mentally disturbed. Remember Kim Potter who accidentally shot a man instead of tasering him? There was real doubt whether she'd be found guilty of manslaughter, for a (surely) more serious lapse than what we are talking about here.

 

As if a suspect placed in a cop car can just exit it. lol

 

Your analogy would only work for boxes that fall out when the truck moves, and that's assuming Briana had no agency due to her mental state. If she makes a decision to exit through the open door, then the analogy makes less sense. Honestly, I don't think we're arguing over much. We agree the cops are culpable, but disagree to exactly what degree. Short of knowing the exact circumstances and the exact policies of the police department, I don't think we're going to be able to make a determination as to who is closer to the truth.

 

When you admit that boxes can fall out of a moving truck, then you also must admit that this isn't only limited to objects, but also people.
You can't rule it out, and so this adds to the blame of the cops who failed to close the door.

 

I never ruled it out. I actually think it's the most likely scenario. My objection is against saying the cops are 100% to blame. If a box falls out of an open truck door, the driver is 100% to blame. If a suspect deliberately manoeuvres themselves out through the open door of a moving cop car, both cops and suspect are responsible.

 

Yeah well. That's rather nitpicking. A mentally ill woman died in THEIR CUSTODY, because they didn't close the door.
To assume the victim maneuvered herself out, is not founded on anything that I know. So to keep saying this, is just rather trying to score some cheap points.
Make it 95% their fault. Whooptido. Is this what is going to make you proud?

Nothing should change. The cops are still incompetent. They have to go and sit in jail for their big part in a death of a victim who needed care.

 

Nitpicking? It will make a big difference legally if it can be established whether or not she deliberately fell out.The police bodycam shows that she fell out at a time when the vehicle was driving straight - that adds some credence to the view she fell deliberately. If you read over what I've written, you'll see I make no assumptions about what the truth of that is. However, you seem intent on pushing your view of what should happen to the police, regardless of (a) whether she deliberately fell or not and (b) whether she was mentally deranged and the police should have known this. Both those factors are significant in the degree of police culpability. But regardless, yes, the police are clearly culpable to a significant degree. 95%? Only if the answer to (b) is a resounding yes.

 

She was mentally deranged as far as I read the article.
And indeed. All what matters is what happens to these cops. It is so, since their victim is dead.
Having them giving it an other try, is flat out not any kind of option. They should go to jail even.
I dunno what the issue is now, besides nitpicking.

 

Their first aid assistance is also questionable. They were moving around a woman who fell out of a car and could have had head or neck injuries. Trying to get her to sit up or stand up was the worst thing they could do. Looks like her head is flopping around.

I wonder how much that also might have contributed to her injuries and death.

 

Exactly what I said a few posts ago.

 

Can you imagine somebody doing a horrible job, and the idiot gets paid.
Because no doubt them cops got their salary paid that day.
And undoubtingly a bunch of far right wingers drooling at anybody marching in a uniform want to keep them.

No wonder the entire country is going down the drain.

 

Even after watching the video, I still have more questions than answers. However, I do not like carte blanch responses like this. I would agree if the alleged crime was intentional, aka felony murder, would be the appropriate sentence. But in this case, the vehicle was moving, it is not all too clear how the rear passenger door remained open while the front driver's door was closed after the suspect was placed in the car. As I have argued, the police officer is responsible for her once that person is in their custody.

 

I agree it's good policy, but violations of policy, depending on what the violation is, can and does get a police officer in trouble. A standard statement in said policy is that police officer must comply with the laws of their state and local jurisdiction while not on duty. Yet there have been police officers fired or charged for domestic violence, DUI, etc.

In this particular case, I still can't see how the door remained opened, not unlocked. We did see in the video the front driver's door opened as well prior to her being put in. So, the video neither exonerates nor goes beyond a reasonable doubt, which tells me the parts that were edited may not be in favor of the police officer.

 

Usually it's so they can get the interview.
Alot of non tech small businesses are biased toward whiteish names.

 

Just like if one of you put your kid in the backseat and forget to close the door and the child falls out, you should goto jail for accidental manslaughter or whatever. People make mistakes, but when it comes down to someone getting hurt, then there should be repercussions so that others see that and think twice about making that same mistake themselves.

 

This woman had free agency. She had the ability to choose whether she wanted to jump out of a moving car and place herself at risk of grievous bodily harm.


In ancient times, long before cars, and before modern police, soldiers would force suspected criminals to march, and threaten to beat or kill them if they did not come along.

I think different people have some interesting perspectives on "blame" and assigning responsibility.

It's true this wouldn't have happened if police had not made a mistake, but it's also true it wouldn't have happened if she had not put herself at risk trying to escape. It wouldn't have happened if they had not arrested her, and it wouldn't have happened if she had not given them a reason to arrest her in the first place. Now, how much of the blame do we assign to each side? How do we determine who is more at fault?

 

Here's just one thing to think about.
The actual victim will not be getting any of the money, and those who you blame as being the ones responsible will not actually be paying any of the money.

So how in the world do you believe a payment of money will help right the wrong or bring "justice"?

 

The way I look at this, they made a mistake. A completely unintentional easy to make mistake. She made a choice. Not just one choice, but two separate choices that led to her death.


She might have even used her leg up against the door while they were closing it so it wouldn't close all the way and lock. There's a chance that might have been her plan from the beginning.

 

yes, but if the City pays, they will demand the police take better care to prevent this from ever happening again

how do you expect change if there is no pain felt when making a mistake that costs a citizen their life while in police custody?

 

They are to blame even if she tried to jump out.