Someone gave our daughter a Black doll. How do we, um, ‘disappear’ it?

Of course it's a source. UNLESS of course you think Iraq was a false flag with crisis actors, which you must do.

That's some crazy conspiracy nonesense you believe there, where is your source for this or did you just make that up and is only an opinion only held by you that you are using to push your racist talking points against black folk?

 

You want a source that the Afghanistan war was not colonialism then here is one for you

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-led-attack-on-afghanistan-begins

in it you will find the reading for the Afghanistan war was to disable Al qaeda along with the government that supported them in Afghanistan. Nowhere does it mention that we colonized Afghanistan and it never mentions it as colonialism. Like I said you will find no historian that claims Afghanistan was about colonialism. If you could you would source it but you can’t.

 

It is simplistic, to think of all things as this "black & white." Since the situations and histories of blacks & whites are so dramatically different, in the U.S., it is a fallacy to consider this doll scenario as something that can fairly be inverted, and have the principles at play, remain unchanged. If a white girl was to have a black doll, how much risk do you think there would be that this would contribute to her believing that only black girls are beautiful, and that white girls have all inferior features?

 

My granddaughter has black and white dolls. She likes them both. I'm sure her little sister will be the same.

 

you think Iraq didn't happen and thousands of civilians killed by America?

That's some conspiracy nonesense you believe there, where is your source for this or did you just make that up and is only an opinion only held by you that you are using to push your racist talking points against black folk?

 

Where in that post did I mention Iraq

 

Idont even care what you posted, that was one of my sources and your ducking is duly noted.

 

@chris155au

I don't know how good you are with analogies but, unless you are beyond giving any real consideration to this situation, and the possibility that you've overlooked one of its important facets, I think this should prove helpful.

Imagine two people, with different backgrounds, meeting. It doesn't matter what the difference is-- it could be racial, or ethnic, or national, or just regional (a "Yankee" and a southerner)-- nor why they are now meeting, other than that it is a circumstance which would recommend cordiality; for example, they could be new neighbors, new workmates, or one could have just begun a romantic relationship with the other's close relative, or dear friend.

One of their first impressions of each other, takes place at the home of one, who offers the other some dish, with which the other is unfamiliar. Perhaps it even strikes the guest as an odd food, but it is something the host is very proud of, & which he considers representative of who he is, or his roots, where he came from. As long as the offering of-- let's just call it pig's knuckles/feet-- is not being made to someone who is a vegetarian, or a practicing Muslim or Orthodox Jew, I am going to presume that you understand that, as a matter of courtesy, it would be expected that the guest would at least sample this offering, because to refuse, for no other reason than it is not part of one's accustomed diet, sends the message that this person is not open to anything beyond his own rootings, which would also imply a rejection of all of those elements of the other person, which strike the other as "foreign." Is this scenario appreciable to you? In this circumstance, to accept the food is a sign of good manners (or ravenous hunger), and to beg off on it, would seem discourteous, if not even be taken for an insult. That is the situation, of a white girl, receiving a black doll. It will do her no harm. Her (or her parents') personal unwillingness, to want something so different, could be the only reason for this; so it comes down to a prejudgement of the doll, based on its color.

Imagine our two new acquaintances have gotten off on the right foot, as the proffered dish had been tried, enjoyed, & complimented. Now, though, they are at the other one's home, and he is offering the aficionado of cloven hoofs, some shellfish delicacy. But it turns out, the current guest has a serious shellfish allergy. In such case, is it still considered poor manners to refuse what is offered? And will the host take it as a personal judgement of himself or his background, that the allergic person does not dare sample, in return, what the other has prepared?

This represents the black parents' concerns, over their little girl, who is already being raised in a place which minimizes the place of black women in the society and, through its ignoring of them, implies devaluing of their personhood, as well. Granted, things have begun to change, but the results of such a centuries- old pattern, are not undone, overnight. We have only just had the very first black woman, appointed to the Supreme Court-- and what was the reaction: many called her unqualified, and an affirmative action hire, despite Ms. Jackson's incredibly impressive academic background, and demonstrated level of commitment to both her her profession (the law), and her desire to serve the public, when compared with some of those recently promoted to the Bench.

Until the ascension of a black woman to any position, is thought of no differently than if she were a white woman, at least, it is not unreasonable for black parents to feel that any opportunities to represent their own race, to their daughters, should not be squandered. It is unavoidable that they will see white baby dolls, but not at all assured that they will ever run across a black one, & so know for sure that they are valued enough, even to be made.

Little girls, often play "mommy," to their dolls. There is no reason, therefore, that it would not be natural for a black girl's doll to be black, and yet this is often not the case. In a way, it is almost comparable to the way that, despite that there were no contemporary images produced of Jesus, yet the picture hanging even in most black homes, depicts a white Christ (with more Anglo, than Middle Eastern, features). This sort of messaging builds up, in a child's, in a person's, psyche, and is most capable of producing extremely bad reactions.

 

You don’t care because you’re clearly trying to put words in my mouth. Even assuming what I feel which makes you no longer worthy of conversation

 

Hold that L

 

And to get there requires stopping obsessing over race.

 

What L?

 

yes, and as long as there is racists, that is hard to do

 

Yes, and sadly racism has become a cycle. Racist white folks spawn "anti-racist" folks who then become racist against white folks generally, which then spawns more racist white folks. Round and round it goes. It won't stop until we all realize that caring about race is stupid.

 

I am more worried about the white racists and black racists

 

*than ?

 

then white people that hate their own race
or black people that hate their own race

 

Not sure why my feed says I was quoted on this post

 

Any recent examples on your worries?

 

I'm not racist about my worries about racism. Racism is a problem, regardless of who is doing it and what race is the target of it. And it feeds itself in a cycle, that can only be broken by those of use who are not racist standing side by side regardless of race.

The efforts against racism with us standing side by side, saying our kids should play together, not jeering at inter racial marriages, Dr. King's dream about character instead of colour, etc, were headed in the right direction.

Then people got impatient and became racist against the race they saw as racist, and have now spun things into the opposite direction. White racism has been on the rise lately, and that's not independent of these "anti-racist" racists' racism against white people.

 

It depends on how you define "ones' accustomed diet." What about a chicken dish which looks and smells very unfamiliar? Or a fish served whole? I make a distinction between those two food items and pig's knuckles/feet, don't you?

So you would give a free pass to the black parents who do not want their daughter to have a white doll,
but you would NOT give a free pass to the white parents who do not want their daughter to have a black doll. Got it.

No, of course not. What do you think?

If he does, he is one pathetic sad loser who is apparently totally okay with the possibility of the person dying from an allergic reaction.

Right. And what society is that exactly? And can you point to even ONE example of a black woman who is minimized in that society?

I don't think that anyone was saying that she was not qualified. They were saying that she was PERFECTLY qualified in line with Biden's stated criteria: she is black and she is a woman. That's what he wanted and he got it. Would she have been nominated based purely on her professional merits? We'll never know. I have no idea why Biden went public with the 'black woman' criteria, other than to virtue signal. It seems that he could have been silent about that and nominated her anyway.

Sorry, people are not assured that they will ever run across a black doll? Are they not made?

You seem to be under the impression that the white doll was the only doll that the girl had.

 

About the same amount of risk of a black girl having a white doll would contribute to her believing that only white girls are beautiful, and that black girls have inferior features.

 

I don't understand how in this case it would be the minority if the fellow got "elected on the basis of Simple Majority."

 

Okay, so then you would not have any problem whatsoever if a white author wrote a piece with the title: 'Someone gave our daughter a black doll. How do we disappear it?'

 

Define 'racist.'