Someone gave our daughter a Black doll. How do we, um, ‘disappear’ it?

So then you would prefer that the President is elected by the popular vote?

 

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What about a system whereby whichever party controls the House of reps also has the Presidency? Assume that House elections were only every 4 years in line with the Presidential election.

 

That's strange, because it's totally not behind a pay wall. Try again: https://www.washingtonpost.com/maga...r-daughter-white-doll-how-do-we-disappear-it/

You're living in the past.

Because they HAD to?

Was there some sort of research done which determined this?

Is there some some of research which has determined that the arts, media and advertising all push "Caucasian standards of beauty?"

What does this nonsensical post have to do with what you're saying?

 

Should the majority decide who controls the House and the Senate?

 

What's the point in viewing threads if you don't read the OP? OP is NOT the WaPo!

 

Okay, so you cannot quote where I said anything even REMOTELY like that!

 

Is there some sort of research which has determined that white women are very attracted to black men?

 

So then name examples other than same sex marriage. You can't, can you?

 

Do you know of any areas where the majority of crime is by white people?

 

What about if it was ONLY black people in the ads? Would you understand why that might make someone upset?

 

First result on Google for search terms: "native american tribal warfare":

"Native Americans definitely waged war long before Europeans showed up. The evidence is especially strong in the American Southwest, where archaeologists have found numerous skeletons with projectile points embedded in them and other marks of violence; war seems to have surged during periods of drought. https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...-native-americans-before-europeans-showed-up/

And there's MUCH MORE where that came from!

So Day 1 of the colonisation was totally okay because it wasn't the "entire continent" being colonised? The first few years were okay too?

 

No, the vast majority of it was the same tired old racist tropes that we've all heard before, but the 'smell' one I hadn't heard before, so I wanted to scrutinise the racist on that point in particular. I guess curiosity got the better of me. I haven't got my answer yet.

 

Um... that would be because it would be racist. Would you not be inclined to agree?

 

Yes I am. So again: what smell?

 

No-- why would I? Do you have a thing, about whole fish? If you eat ham or pork ribs, why wouldn't you at least be open to trying the feet? They are washed, first, you know.

But you are getting overly hung up on the example, which was included simply for argument's sake. In the situation I laid out, it makes no difference, whether the food is fried octopus, raw crab, goat meat, or menudo, which is a soup made with pig stomach/intestines, I believe (I have eaten it-- in fact, that goes for all of those things. Goat is the meat most consumed by humans; the rib chops are phenomenal!). The polite thing to do, and the thing to make a much better impression, is to give whatever it is, a try. The only foods I would exempt would be known allergens, and anything to which one had a moral objection to eating, such as veal, for instance. I actually do not eat conventionally raised turkey, for that reason.

I would not describe it as giving anyone "a pass." What I am saying is that black parents have legitimate, non racist, reason for concerns over their daughter's using a white doll, instead of a black one. White parents who don't like their daughter playing with a black doll, sound pretty racist. What possible reason could they have?

If you are unaware that, 1) in the world, in general, including the U.S., women are under-valued, in relation to men; 2) in white majority countries, generally, and most definitely including the U.S., blacks, writ large, have a lower status than whites; so that, 3) therefore, black females are at the bottom of the totem poll, for being taken for granted, belittled, and even exploited, then your knowledge gap is too comprehensive, to expect me to be able to get you up to speed. Since we were talking about Supreme Court Justices, I will let you look up these easy to find answers, yourself: how many Justices has the U.S. had? How many were both white, and male? How many have been women (representing one half of the population)? How many of those women have been black? Lastly, what is the history of the Court, pertaining to black men? Those facts represent the reality of our society, as starkly, and accurately, as anything I could say.

No, I am sorry, but you are incorrect. I am not referring to a black Barbie, but to a lifelike doll of either a baby or a young girl. The market for black ones, is much smaller, than for whites, at least in this part of the world, & consequently they are not at all a common site. If you had an old-school, "vintage" style doll like this, as one might find in a thrift store, that was black, it would, no doubt, be a rare, collectors' item.

To add an anecdotal example, every year-- I'm not sure, for what occasion-- my local CVS stores get in a delivery of these inexpensive "walker," dolls, but which nonetheless are close to 3 feet tall, & which appear rather lifelike. While they have different skin tones, I have never seen a black one.

I don't know what is the case, in that regard; as I'd mentioned, I have not read the behind a paywall article, & you offered scant details, yourself, in the OP. So, do you know differently, of exactly what comprised the full collection, of the dolls owned and played with, by the girl referred to, in the original Atlantic article? Do you know that it was not that girl's habit to be most focused on her newest doll, or on whichever was the current favorite?

 

Well then-- SURPRISE, SURPRISE! -- the black father, who wrote the original article, to which you object, has a much better sense of the reality for black girls, than do you.

Who'd a thunk it?

 

When did I say anything even REMOTELY like that?

When did I say that I am worried about dolls?

And this would make a black parent want to 'disappear' a white doll?

 

The way those work, is by keeping track of an individual's visits to their site. Newspapers generally give you a certain number of "free" articles, after which, they cut you off. So, maybe you are a far less frequent visitor, to the WaPo site, than me?

 

You might wanna follow the bouncing ball for that. If you can't work that out, that's your loss.

 

UntilNextTime said: ↑
@chris155au
Someone gave our daughter a Black doll. How do we, um, ‘disappear’ it?

Are you comfortable with it?
If not, bleach it. A few times.
[End]


Have you never heard of skin- bleaching?
Familiar with Michael Jackson?

What does bleaching the color, from one's skin, say about the way that person views their natural self?

 

Because it's not pure meat. That distinguishes it from ham and pork ribs.

And black parents would ALWAYS have a legitimate, non racist reason for concerns over a white doll? Here's a test: what would a NON-legitimate reason be?

Maybe their daughter just prefers white dolls. Studies have actually been done which show that babies respond more positively towards people of the same race, both white and non-white. Those damn racist babies! Maybe this applies to dolls of the same race. Who knows.

A reminder of what I asked: can you point to even ONE example of a black woman who is minimized in that society? It's clear that you cannot.

Yeah, I mean they're just so hard to get: https://www.target.com/c/dolls-toys/black/-/N-5xt90Z5y761

Atlantic article? You mean Washington Post? Anyway:

"We’ve also been intentional with buying her dolls and toys of color. Black is always the preference, but we’ve made exceptions." https://www.washingtonpost.com/maga...r-daughter-white-doll-how-do-we-disappear-it/

 

You're not focusing on the crux of the matter: even if it was satire, what would have happened to the author and editors if the title of the article was the title of this thread?

 

Have we gotten anywhere with this thread or have we lost the plot?

 

Yes, because Michael Jackson was not at all mentally ill when he did that and COUNTLESS black people before and after him have done the same!