America, so far, is exceptional in that it still exists after nearly 250 years and public attention,

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  1. Bowerbird

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    But not allowed to vote
     
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    True, but that is not what the post was about.
     
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    You need to learn about what you choose to discuss.
    The above is nonsense. Utter nonsense.
     
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    Is this supposed to be an explanation of the things you avoided with your Constitution?
    You are not exceptional.
    In fact your accommodation are quite common in liberal democracies.
    Even to bearing arms, though other countries have a closer scrutiny in their laws established through precedence.
     
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    Still matters to ME!
     
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    What I was pointing out was that some Americans who wish to claim these rights for themselves do not wish to extend the same rights to other Americans. I see that as a great danger.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with France and her laws.
     
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    our constitution prohibits "titles of nobility" but there is a de facto aristocracy.
     
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    Yep! And if Trump had got his way he would have been crowned King and you would have had to deal with the stepford children
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    that may still happen. i'm sure the stupid bastard thought liz windsor was going to knight him

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    Which you guys are doing your damndest to get rid of.
     
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    Then why are you not capable of this ..

    "Exceptional" for managing 250 years - people still focus on founding principles ??

    and we are talking about slavery .. Why ? as if this has some necessary relevance to what ever we are defining as "Exceptional"

    I assure you -- that as soon as you define "Exceptional" it will not - factor into the grand equation .. "EVEN" if you define Exceptional .. as lack of slavery .. which would be moronic . but you are welcome to try .. not saying you were thinking about trying .. but .. should you wish to knowiningly stick tongue into vomit.

    Now linking this behavoir to denialism .. in some way shape or form .. not far off the mark

    We are in the slavery rabbit hole why ? if it is that you do not deny ..
     
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    Ok. Black slaves. Got it.
     
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    It's far more interesting to few the history of the US on an international level.

    France and Spain were both at war with the UK during the revolutionary war of the US vs the UK.
    And while The Netherlands said they backed up the UK, it's private bankers funded the entire US government's war against the UK behind the UK's back.

    With that, those 3 countries broke the UK's dominance over the world.
     
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    Well I know of one French Revolution. Please advise me of the other three. I mean it must have been difficult having three révolutions and taking over most of Europe at the same time. I know Napoléon was busy but that takes some doing. Then of course there was the Franco-Prussian war...1870, and WW1 not much later.
    Now where did three révolutions fit into all this ?
     
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    Not to mention that when they banned slavery they didn't have a faction of their country go to war to keep it.
     
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    Nope, that's a bad thing.
     
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    The French were involved in helping the US against their own enemy, the UK, particularly in the Northeast. There are still French names of places in Mass and NY state.
     
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    And????
     
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    the revolutions of 1848 occurred all over europe, sort of an arab spring event. it is not surprising that this "springtime of the people" is ignored in most history books.

    Revolutions of 1848 - Wikipedia

    The uprisings were led by temporary coalitions of reformers, the middle classes (the bourgeoisie) and workers;[5] however, the coalitions did not hold together for long. Many of the revolutions were quickly suppressed, as tens of thousands of people were killed, and many more were forced into exile. Significant lasting reforms included the abolition of serfdom in Austria and Hungary, the end of absolute monarchy in Denmark, and the introduction of representative democracy in the Netherlands. The revolutions were most important in France, the Netherlands, Italy, the Austrian Empire, and the states of the German Confederation that would make up the German Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
     
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    No, it was done to equalize slave State power. Without which there wouldn't have been a United States, Southern States would never have signed without the 3/5ths provision
     
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    It did but from around 50 BC or so until the end in 476 AD it was an empire with an emperor, not a Republic. And it was nothing more than a city state for much of its earliest years. I’m not certain that they ever put all of their laws and rights to scroll or paper as the constitution was.
     
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    Our revolution and the one in France ended very differently. That difference makes us exceptional and theirs typical
     
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    It's always been a bad bet, to bet against These United States.
     
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    "The way we choose a president and the presidential powers, the separation of powers, the way judges are appointed, the way congress is elected and constituted, the freedom of the press, speech, and assembly, the freedom to bear arms, the freedom against unreasonable searches and seizures, the crime and penalty of treason, the impeachment process, etc, etc, etc."
    Very few other countries have these guarantees to the same extent and in a durable Constitution. In fact AFAIK England does not even have a durable constitution. It doesn't even have a president as an independent branch of government, it does not have the separation of powers, it does not constitutionally appoint judges. its freedom of press, speech and assembly are not as strong as ours as is their freedom to bear arms, it does not have the same freedom from searches and seizures, its crime of treason, while improved since the early 1800s, is more draconian, it does not even have an impeachment process per se -- for example.
     
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    You are being coy and misleading. There were many blacks who in the late 1700s and ear;y 1800s that were counted in the census as 5/5 (a whole) of a person.
     

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