What is the AGW Scientific Consensus?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Only people with "authority" in these forums are the mods.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What quote?
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you don't understand the basics of an equilibrium system, but you still expect to be taken seriously. Fascinating.
     
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    Yes.. run away....
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What the hell are you talking about? What study? That link refers to a meta-analysis. If you're looking for peer-reviewed studies, they're in ipcc.ch. But read the section Playing the "I'm a climate expert too" game on the OP before you make any dumb questions.
     
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    I served twenty years as a US Air Force Meteorologist. I do not consider myself an expert. However, I have a broad understanding of the mechanisms which define the earth's climate.

    Without exception, every time we see a departure from normal over a wide area, the AGW crowd starts yelling climate change. I have not seen a single one of those which can absolutely be attributed to climate change. They are perfectly normal weather events which occur periodically.

    The AGW crowd loves to show graphs showing the increase in earth's temperature. However, when you examine them, you find that amount of change over time is insignificant.
     
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    Re: Shaviv and Ziskin 2012

    https://skepticalscience.com/from-email-bag-ziskin-shaviv.html

    With all due respect to Prof. Shaviv, who clearly has credentials, this particular study did not pass the scientific method described in the OP.

    I think you and I have discussed Shaviv's "ocean in a barrel" experiment before, have we not?

    As for Michael Chricton, again with all due respect, since I've enjoyed many of his SF novels, there are reasons why he took the fictional path.
     
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    Right out of the MBFC playbook where of course all who dare to disagree about the degree of the impact caused by man while agreeing that climate change happens are rated as “pseudoscience” by the arrogant bigots there.
     
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    It's a cult. They have received authorities and they memorize pieces of the received narrative and they will not discuss even the most basic empirical facts because the truth quickly falsifies their narrative.

    They are as frustrating as any other cult. It is illegitimate to have an extremist cult set national and international policy and that's where we need to focus our efforts, because that is what they are doing.

    And don't underestimate how dangerous these bastards are: "The flourishing of human life and cultures is compatible with a substantially smaller human population. The flourishing of nonhuman life requires a smaller human population."

    https://silo.pub/ecocriticism-the-new-critical-idiom.html

    THAT’S HATE-SAUSAGE: Cracker Barrel’s plant-based sausage patty sparks backlash. “Are you kidding me? Who do you think your customer base is?”

    Get Woke?
    Go Broke!
     
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    Then go ahead. Write your own research paper and submit it for peer review rather than wasting people's time reading through your denialists' posts.
     
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    I'm afraid you are carried away by your imagination.
     
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    Much to your embarrassment, Crichton was a Harvard MD and a peer-reviewed published researcher.
     
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    The data are the data.
     
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    We could revisit for posterity. If only it hadn't disappeared ;)
     
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    The proportionate change sir in real numbers, is around 1+ parts per 10,000.
     
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    Oxygen and nitrogen don't count towards heat absorption. They might as well not be there.
     
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    If I am wasting your time, it must mean you have already heard all there is to hear. That qualifies you to write your own report and submit it for peer review.

    By the way. What am I denying?
     
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    Water vapor does and water vapor is magnitudes higher than CO2.
     
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    Beware the radical Carbon Cult and the power they are accumulating.

    'ONE IS STARTING TO SUSPECT THIS IS THE AIM': Shipping’s New ESG Rules Could Starve Millions.

    "More than 75% of ships will not meet the International Maritime Organization’s (IMO) new Environmental social and corporate governance (ESG) index aimed at decarbonizing the industry. Many ship owners will be forced to slow ships down to reduce emissions but doing so could deepen the global food and energy crisis by reducing available ship capacity."

    “IMO decarbonization targets will cause ships to slow down delaying food shipments and people will starve. How many people will die as a result of the IMO’s ESG efforts is unknown at this time. I don’t think most shipowners even understand the severity of the EEXI threat but it could be millions of lives.”

    That's a feature not a bug to this radical cult: "The flourishing of human life and cultures is compatible with a substantially smaller human population. The flourishing of nonhuman life requires a smaller human population."

    The Energy Efficiency Existing Index (EEXI) that will enter into force next year.

    "The International Maritime Organization’s Energy Efficiency Existing Index is a voluntary, incentive-based system that encourages ships to improve their energy efficiency. The Index uses a vessel’s speed, cargo-carrying capacity, and other factors to calculate a numerical score. The higher the score, the more energy efficient the vessel. More specifically EEXI (Energy Efficiency Existing Ships Index) is a measure of a ship’s CO2 emissions per transport work. It is similar to the Energy Efficiency Design Index (EEDI), which has been in force since 2013, but applies to existing ships rather than new ones."

    If they volunteered in, they better volunteer out, and quickly.

    "Ships have to attain EEXI approval once in a lifetime, by the first periodical survey in 2023 at the latest."

    "Slow steaming is a technique used by shippers to reduce fuel consumption and emissions by slowing down vessels. The process involves sailing at a slower speed, typically around 50% of the vessel’s maximum speed. This can be done by reducing the revolutions per minute (RPM) of the propellers."

    So, slow steam, one time for the life time approval? They return to normal speeds? Don't fall for it. If you can only certify at a particular speed, with GPS tracking, look for them to add monitoring to uncover just this "violation".

    "shipping lines ignoring the diktat may find themselves punished by banks and insurers, operating to strict ESG rules:"

    And that's the danger. We have coordinating Guilds colluding to illegitimately enforce these dictates.

    “As the IMO prepares to rate the energy efficiency of ships on a EEXI scale of A to E, shipping companies will come under increasing pressure to meet these targets not just from regulators but also from banks."

    Exactly.

    "In 2019, a group of banks committed to efforts to cut carbon emissions when lending to shipping companies. This group of banks established the Poseidon Principles, a global framework that is consistent with IMO policies on environmental grounds. As of today, 28 banks have signed on to the Poseidon Principles."

    "The Poseidon Principles are fairly new but are already having a ripple effect on finance and insurance, as banks and other lenders begin to factor in a company’s carbon emissions when making lending decisions."

    "What this means for shipowners is that even if they find a way around the IMO’s ESG regulations, steaming at normal speeds could increase their carbon scores and have a negative effect on financing options and stock prices”

    These guys are fanatics, and powerful, do not underestimate them.

    "Nobody is calculating the price of a good ESG score in terms of human lives,” said one global security analyst who wished to stay anonymous. “The question is no longer if people will starve to death because of IMO decarbonization targets. The question is how many?”

    They don't mind a lot of people dying and this person is concealing their identity because they will not hesitate to destroy people who stand up to them.

    "Deep ecologists argue for long-term population reduction throughout the world. The lethal combination is that of rapid population growth in developing countries, which exacerbates environmental problems associated with poverty such as land pressure and deforestation, accompanied by rapid economic growth in developed countries, which exacerbates problems associated with wealth, such as domestic waste disposal and greenhouse gas emissions. Deep ecology identifies the dualistic separation of humans from nature promoted by Western philosophy and culture as the origin of environmental crisis, and demands a return to a monistic, primal identification of humans and the ecosphere. The shift from a human-centred to a nature-centred system of values is the core of the radicalism attributed to deep ecology, bringing it into opposition with almost the entirety of Western philosophy and religion: Deep ecology is concerned with encouraging an egalitarian attitude on the part of humans toward all members of the ecosphere, for example, to such entities (or forms) as rivers, landscapes, and even species and social systems considered in their own right."

    And of course they determine when humans have properly subjugated themselves to this utopian vision. Beware all utopians, they often turn out to be murderers.
     
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    We all have a broad understanding of the mechanisms that define the earth's climate. But that's pretty much useless in this debate. Anybody who wants to use climate studies to make a point can simply address the conclusions.
     
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    Really? Because it all came out of my research and I don't even know what the MBFC playbook IS....

    Makes me proud of my research... I mean, that there's a playbook that agrees with me and all...
     
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    water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect…However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...on-dioxide-which-wins-in-climate-warming/amp/


    Water is indeed a greenhouse gas. It absorbs and re-emits infrared radiation, and thus makes the planet warmer. However, Smerdon says the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere is a consequence of warming rather than a driving force, because warmer air holds more water.

    https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/02/25/carbon-dioxide-cause-global-warming/
     
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    Oh yeah! An MD degree most CERTAINLY qualifies you in climatology!

    "Embarrassment"? You quote pseudoscience blogs and claim that they are peer-reviewed. Claim that an MD qualifies you in climatology.... and even once claimed that doing things like saying that studies on local climate to debunk GLOBAL warming is the future of science (something like that).... and you're concerned about MY embarrassment?

    That's hilarious!
     
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    I've never seen you squirm, change the subject and obfuscate more than in that thread. Frankly, I was embarrassed for you.
     
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    So, help me out: I did a little research and I cannot find a single reference to climatology in the definition of epistemology - So does that put you on the same plane as Crichton?
     

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