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    Because à small majority of people didn't actually understand how it works and were fed liés by the chief liar who has now been tossed out for being à habitual liar.
     
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    They already were members.
     
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    Bad answer. Too political. Sorry I don't buy it.
     
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    Far too dismissive

    And hey. If Brexit isn't political, neither are American pretty snowballs.
    OF COURSE IT WAS POLITICAL!
     
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    Sanctions for Russia do not matter. I showed on this forum a stream from a Russian city where anyone can see how Russians live today. They don't have a problem.
    How can problems arise in a country where the budget surplus is only growing, where the national currency is the strongest currency in the world (the ruble is recognized as the best currency after the start of a special operation in Ukraine), where the level of support for the president and government is 82% ... etc.?
     
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    According to the British Congress of Trade Unions - Real wages in the United Kingdom could fall by 7.75 percent, which has not happened since the 1920s.
    The organization emphasized that the scale of the fall in wages can be called unprecedented. The UK is predicting a recession throughout 2023, according to the Bank of England. The country could lose over a million jobs.
    In early August, the Bank of England raised the rate by 50 basis points at once, to 1.75 percent per annum Measures to tighten monetary policy have been taken to combat rising prices, this is a record rate increase over the past 27 years. The regulator pointed out that inflationary pressure in the UK, as well as in Europe as a whole, is growing significantly against the backdrop of rising gas prices and concerns about the possibility of a further reduction in pumping.
    According to the forecast, inflation may reach 13 percent by the end of the year.
    But, of course, politicians will not blame themselves. They will say that Putin and the Russians are to blame.
    If you take the words of politicians seriously, then you can believe that Putin is God. Which affects everything - from the weather to financial problems.
    Maybe Western politicians should already build a Putin temple and pray in it?
     
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    The true exchange rate for the ruble will be found in the black market - not in a government controlled environment.
    Sanctions, unlike war, take time (though Putin thought to take Ukraine in a few days)
    Soon there will be no more air travel, a lot fewer jobs, less freedom and even your local cell phone tower could stop working.
     
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    I was referring to the political nature of your post, not the political nature of brexit. I approve of brexit. It never made sense to me to embrace a higher political power by forming the EU. The various countries could have worked out any necessary trade agreements without doing the EU. Whatever negative impacts brexit has brought to the UK will resolve themselves over time. I can see how it stressed your society but it was worth it in the long run. Rule Britannia.
     
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    So you think that not stipulating safety standards, minimum quality assurances , transport legislation like drivers hours and freight weight will all résolve themselves over time in a competitive capitalist set of économies??
    Pull the other one.
    It is the fast way to standards and quality décline.
    And trade deal are far easier to get on good terms when you have a potential consumer base of half a billion people. Not 66 million as in the UK.
    I would bet the deeds to the ranch that the UK never renegotiates the trade deals it stole from the EU. They will never be as good. And the three they did get were pathetic. It will flex à tiny amount of UK economy and drive UK sheep farmers out of business.
     
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    If you’re in the UK, you’ll know how bad it’s getting now. Even the media who usually put on a brave face are now commenting about it.
     
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    Dear Mr. Destroyer
    When the singular leader of à country which supplies energy to another country and who then threatens to reduce that supply, and then the supply is reduced, it is a fairytale safe bet that he really is to blame.

    You don't REALLY believe most of what you write and then expect us to swallow it, do you?? How insulting.
     
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    So we disagree. Rule Britannia.
     
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    He is a Russian propagandist, probably a paid one. I wouldn't recommend you swallow anything he says. He is your enemy.
     
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    Having said as much weeks ago and noting his difficulty with the English vernacular , I suggested he be ignored.
     
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    You can't disagree . I didn't post an opinion. I posted facts.
    That is the fundamental difficulty with Leavers. They still believe in dreams and don't acknowledge facts.
    Those damned elusive Unicorns are still running around the forests of Avalon...
     
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    Many of the EU nations didn't get a say, they were led into the EU through political treaties. It was certainly nothing to do with coal.
     
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    So now making applications freely and entering a voluntary alliance is wrong?
    And coming to à decision together through à democratic process is also wrong?
    The EU does not want coal. It was an environmental issue.
    You do far better when you stop making things up.
     
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    Perhaps you could stop regurgitating the colonial slogans that glorified the British oppressions of the past.
     
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    You are a victim of Western propaganda. All my sources are Western media. And even despite the fascist censorship in these media, one can read that the Russians have no problems after the imposition of sanctions. But there are problems with countries that introduced censorship. And you can easily see these problems, just look at the price tags in your stores and received utility bills.
    And further. There is no black market for currencies in Russia. You can freely go to any bank in Russia and exchange any currency.
     
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    Can you give an example of 'fascist censorship' in Western societies?
    You know you can get 15 years for protesting the Ukraine 'special operation' ?
    Recall that newsreader who held up a sign during a live broadcast? Well, it seemed for a while she wasn't persecuted or prosecuted, but give it time - now she's under house arrest - the gulag will come later.
     
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    Be careful what you say on social media. We don’t have ‘fascist’ censorship, we have ‘cancel’ culture. We still send you to the colonies as exiles, just as the Russians send you to the ‘Gulags.’ :)
     
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    An example of fascisization of the United States is the largest number of prisoners in the world, searches of the former president and a ban on the presence of lawyers during a search, media censorship, regular killings of US civilians by police .... and many other examples. However, you know all this yourself.
    As for the woman with a poster against the special operation in Ukraine on Russian TV channel...
    1. She violated the rules of a private TV corporation. For this, she was fired.
    2. For insulting the Russian army, She was fined the equivalent of 400 US dollars.
    3. She freely left Russia.
    4. She freely returned to Russia.
    5. She continued to discredit the Russian Armed Forces by spreading false messages.
    6. After repeated lies about the Russian Armed Forces, She was fined the equivalent of $550 for the second time. The indictment states - for knowingly lying.
    7. She continued to spread deliberate lies about the Russian military. At the same time, the level of slander has increased many times over.
    Now she is on trial. There are no illegal reprisals. Punishment, if any, and in what form - only by court order.
    Is it different in the US or the EU?
    For example, if someone spreads deliberate lies against you and lying against you causes reputational damage for you, such a person in the EU and the US will not be subject to police and prosecution? Or do you have, as usual, double standards - the invasion of Syria, Libya, Iraq .... this is good, but the Russian special operation against Ukrainian fascists is bad?
     
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    Do you know what 'lies' this woman said about Russia?
    That Putin WILL invade Ukraine?
    That this is a war and not a 'special operation' ?
    That the Russian missile ship was hit by missiles and not an accident?
    That the Crimean airfield destroyed last week wasn't some guy with a cigarette?
    That only 'Nazis' are being targeted in Ukraine?

    You know, in America you can criticise your government just about any way you like - millions have opposed wars in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
    You don't go to jail.
     
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