WELL, THE TRUTH GETS OUT: Majority see FBI as Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’ after Trump raid.

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  1. Zorro

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    WELL, THE TRUTH GETS OUT: Majority see FBI as Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’ after Trump raid.

    "If you don’t want to be thought of as corrupt thugs, try not being corrupt thugs. That will get you farther than smarmy Merrick Garland's babbling talk of integrity."

    Joe Biden is using the G-men as his “personal Gestapo” against his political opposition.

    "53% of likely voters agreed that “there is a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI that are using the FBI as Joe Biden’s personal Gestapo.”

    A 15% increase just since December.

    “Liberals are happy because a politicized agency is coming after their ideological enemies, particularly their bête noire, Trump. It’s a stark turnaround from the days of decrying the FBI’s efforts to target Martin Luther King. The left has discarded any pretense of caring about civil liberties or injustice and instead sneers at conservatives who they claim are the ones who have jettisoned their core principles and now are ‘anti-cop.’”

    They aren't "Liberals these are Leftists. Liberals generally are opposed to the systematic abuse of those first "othered".

    Conservatives never supported crooked cops.

    “The agency’s standing is at rock bottom among Republicans and conservatives, and not too healthy with independents and moderates,” wrote Devine, the author of" Laptop from Hell: Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the Dirty Secrets the President Tried to Hide.

    This corrupt agency's standing is hitting rock bottom with a lot more folks than just Republicans.

    Time to return this Rogue Agency to the rule of law.
     
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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    cops are all racists. They're only out to hurt the black man.

    All Whites, racists also. Them and their white privilege make me sick! lol.

    YOU KNOW IF THE FBI, OR DOJ, OR CIA SAYS THAT SOMEONE IS GUILTY, THEN THEY ARE!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST AMERICANS CAN'T TRUST THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT, AND WASHINGTON D.C. WENT WASN'T IT LIKE 90PERCENT DEMOCRAT? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT. LMAO. LOL.
     
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    The majority of criminals oppose law enforcement? Yeah, we know.

    And they're coming for you.
     
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    no. saying sarcastically. Most criminals love law enforcement. lol
     
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    Question, please. More and more cities have added considerably larger percentages of Black police officers in the last twenty years or so (especially in American cities with larger percentages of Black people in the general population. Would you say that those Black police officers are "racists" also, or are only White police officers classified in your mind as racists? :confusion:
     
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    Seems like this whole "criminalizing of disagreement" thing has really taken root in some folks. Good thing this is America where we are free to hate or love or ignore whoever we please.
     
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    For now. Until the left cheats to win the next few elections and no one stops them.
     
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    Well, it's America for now. Land of the Free and home of the Brave.

    Democrat Politicians are trying to make it the land of the Socialists, and home of the gutless cowards and "feelings". lol.
     
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    SAUCE FOR THE GOOSE…: Old case over audio tapes in Bill Clinton’s sock drawer could impact Mar-a-Lago search dispute. “Judge ruled in 2012 that a president’s discretion to declare records ‘personal’ is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.”

    Some Leftists kneel and burn incense to precedence.

    "Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable."

    The door kickers at the FBI/DOJ/AG aren't going to be happy to learn this. Though, rest assured they already knew it, that is why they are hiding the affidavit that they gave the Epstein Judge so they could toss the house of the guy that is currently leading Biden, and every Democrat, in head to head matchups for the 2024 race.

    "A decade-old case over audio tapes that Bill Clinton once kept in his sock drawer may have significant impact over the FBI search of Melania Trump's closet and Donald Trump's personal office."

    Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration
    "A conservative watchdog to compel the Archives to forcibly seize hours of audio recordings that Clinton made during his presidency with historian Taylor Branch."

    "The case is most memorable for the revelation that the 42nd president for a time stored the audio tapes in his sock drawer at the White House."

    "U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president."

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    "But Jackson's ruling — along with the Justice Department's arguments that preceded it — made some other sweeping declarations that have more direct relevance to the FBI's decision to seize handwritten notes and files Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago. The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will."

    Just as we told you.
     
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    "Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision."

    "Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records."

    "The judge noted a president could destroy any record he wanted during his tenure and his only responsibility was to inform the Archives."

    "As to whether records a president concluded were personal can be forcibly seized after he leaves office, the court concluded it was unreasonable to force NARA to go get the tapes."

    "Because the audiotapes are not physically in the government's possession, defendant submits that it would be required to seize them directly from President Clinton in order to assume custody and control over them," Jackson noted. "Defendant considers this to be an 'extraordinary request' that is unfounded, contrary to the PRA's express terms, and contrary to traditional principles of administrative law. The Court agrees."

    "Jackson also concluded that a decision to challenge a president's decision lies solely with the National Archives and can't be reviewed by a court. If the Archives wants to challenge a decision, that agency and the attorney general can initiate an enforcement mechanism under the law, but it is a civil procedure and has no criminal penalty, she noted."

    Just as we have repeatedly told you.
     
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    The state legislatures are already stopping them as are the state Courts.

    There are probably enough states that have cleaned up the election crap that occurred with COVID for us to carry a national election.

    But, 2022 is first, we need to confidently go forward and make sure we make good decisions on the state and local elections, it can all come down to having folks of integrity in those positions.
     
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    The first line is a hyperlink. There are several more links in the article.

    One very interesting link is to the arguments the same folks made THEN when the target was Clinton rather than Trump.
     
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    If true it's a decent argument.
     
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    I really hope the FBI has thought all of this out. I'm not so concerned about them being corrupt - but rather incompetent and blink-ed.

    All we can do is wait.
     
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    Of course you guys see it that way, if trump were POTUS you would be all for it.
     
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    They already proved that with the whole "lock her up " chant and Trump's attempt to do just that.

    I think what they are really mad at is that a senile old dude like Biden was able to put together a Justice Department SMART enough to
    to build a case against Trump, while Trump wasn't smart enough to put together a Justice Department good enough to nail
    a rat like Clinton. Just another Trump failure.
     
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    Saving America means spending LESS money and destroying the socialist rot spread by the Democrat Party.
     
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    Which requires spending lots of money. I'm talking about Trump's PAC of course. Please donate and save America.
     
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    Or "declare their hatred of the FBI" ? People have a constitutional right to have their feelings and opinions and declare their hatred of government institutions and leaders and more. This has been proven by several years of the left espousing their hatred of police, Trump, etc...

    If the FBI snowflakes cannot handle criticism, they should quit and find another job.
     
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    Add me to your list. Pretty sad that you rat on people for expressing their OPINIONS. You do know that it is perfectly LEGAL to do all of the things you mentioned. The only "iffy" from your list is "threatening violence". The reason its "iffy" is because you can make threats legally, you just can't do any planning of or the carrying out of such threats. Its called A Right to Free Speech. So go ahead, report me. I'll defend ANYONE's Right to Free Speech even if it cost me my life.
     
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    Freel free to prove that Trump tried to have Hillary locked up.

    And the FBI has yet to prove anything against Trump.
     
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    Just Google "Trump pressures DOJ to investigate Hillary".
     
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    Hmmm: FBI search of Mar-a-Lago run by same counter-intel group as Crossfire Hurricane

    Figures.

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    Pig-eyed

    "The same unit running the FBI’s" Witch Hunt "of Donald Trump and the search of Mar-a-Lago also conducted the botched Russia-collusion probe that used the discredited Steele dossier to go after Trump in 2017-18. One key figure in the earlier investigation has a lead role in this one as well:"

    "The FBI’s nine-hour, 30-agent raid of the former president’s Florida estate is part of a counterintelligence case run out of Washington – not Miami, as has been widely reported. The bureau’s counterintelligence division led the 2016-2017 Russia “collusion” investigation of Trump, codenamed “Crossfire Hurricane.”'

    Peter Strzok's Team.
    "Several members of his team remain working in the counterintelligence unit even though they are under active investigation by both Durham and the bureau’s disciplinary arm, the Office of Professional Responsibility. The FBI declined to respond to questions about any role they may be taking in the Mar-a-Lago case."

    "A key member of the Crossfire team – Supervisory Intelligence Analyst Brian Auten – has continued to be involved in politically sensitive investigations, including the ongoing federal probe of potentially incriminating content found on the abandoned laptop of President Biden’s son Hunter Biden, according to recent correspondence between the Senate Judiciary Committee and FBI Director Christopher Wray. FBI whistleblowers have alleged that Auten tried to falsely discredit derogatory evidence against Hunter Biden during the 2020 campaign by labeling it Russian “disinformation,” an assessment that caused investigative activity to cease."

    So the same liar that tried to fix the 2016 election, buried Hunter's laptop to fix the 2020 election, is running the Trump raid to fix the 2024 election?

    "Auten has been allowed to work on sensitive cases even though he has been under internal investigation since 2019, when Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz referred him for disciplinary review for his role in vetting a Hillary Clinton campaign-funded dossier used by the FBI to obtain a series of wiretap warrants to spy on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. Horowitz singled out Auten for cutting a number of corners in the verification process and even allowing information he knew to be incorrect slip into warrant affidavits and mislead the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court."

    "Been allowed" my ass, he's the FBI's election fixer. I love the passive voice about how the "documents were allowed to slip" into the FISA to trick the court into approving the warrants to spy on Trump, the documents were deliberately inserted, and when they deliberately tricked the Court to approve the spying, the spying that occurred was illegal surveillance of a Presidential campaign and then a Presidential Administration. How is this guy not on suspension pending resolution of his last rounds of Presidential Election fixing?

    "Why is the “disciplinary review” from the Horowitz referral taking years to accomplish? If any of the agents involved are still working on cases related to either Trump or the Bidens, it’s yet another hit on the FBI’s credibility as a non-political law enforcement agency."

    And that's their own doing. The FBI acts upset that their reputation is in tatters, but look at the choices they make, the rules that they break, the questionable personal decisions that they make, their open conflicts of interest. They do not seem to ever take any of the basic steps that all law abiding organizations take to ensure a commitment to both actual integrity and the appearance of unquestioned trustworthiness.
     
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