BYU Athletics Department bans non-student fan for using racial slurs at volleyball game vs. Duke

Yeah, my second instinct was going to be to thank the Snowflake Patrol for keeping this nothing story on page 1...

 

As you can see the cameras come into view of the crowd plenty of times in a game.

 

I gave up on it a week ago (and I still believe her)...

I can let go of unimportant things.

 

sorry. The racist against whites crowd.

as far as being emotionally invested. No I am factually invested being facts that this was proven as a false claim. The emotionally invested are those ignoring the facts.

 

Unimportant things like facts…

 

That proves my point if anything. It would be impossible for the cameras to pick up something one individual was shouting.

Oh, I see. The "white man the victim" card. Ok. I get it now. I should have known.

What facts? Just because you don't hear it on tape simply does not mean it never happened. What if someone slaps your face in the bathroom. If its not on tape, then it never happened, right?

I dont know if she is lying or not, but since there is no evidence other way, I'll give her the benefit of doubt, but you are on record accusing her of lying.

 

Unimportant things like this monumentally unimportant story... and your monumental distortion of what's a fact and what's being surmised from one biased investigation....

 

When you have hundreds who would've heard it and none say they did, yes you can make a definitive conclusion that it didn't happen.

Don't try to argue that a bunch of woke college kids would all defend someone yelling racist insults at a player.

You're being ultra partisan here and it's pretty sad.

And once again, peoples lives can be ruined over racism so yes, it's a very serious accusation. I bet you'd feel differently if you were falsely accused of racism and lost your job/livelihood etc because of it.

 

Prove it was biased. How about at least show some evidence it was biased.

She lied, get over it. Take off your partisan blinders for a minute. Hundreds would've heard the insult. Not a single person has come forward. Don't be like another poster and attempt to claim that all the others could just be covering for the person. There's most likely plenty of woke college students there who would never cover for someone saying that.

 

You'd be surprised. Did you go to college?

It has literally nothing to do with any party. Or.....maybe it does to you, which would be sad indeed. How does everything translate to a political party thing to you, and why is saying "maybe she lied and maybe she didn't" somehow a partisan view?

And her life, assuming she is telling the truth?

 

That every single one of them is staying silent? Yea, you're exactly right, I would be surprised since the chances of that is virtually zero.

Even if you believe that. Her own team would've heard it. So you are also claiming it's possible that in addition to the hundreds in the audience that are staying silent, that it's also her own team staying silent. I suppose they're protecting the stranger they've never met over their own teammate.

There's absolutely no other explanation. The evidence is overwhelming that she's lying. So I'm going off of facts, not politics. You are playing politics.

We've established she isn't. And given the overwhelming evidence that she's lying, you're suggesting that she should get away with it. That she should face no consequences.

 

LOL... yeah.. you and Jussie....

 

Then why is Duke is standing behind her and their school?

They're not. They are saying "We stand with and up for Rachel Richardson." School loyalty is common.

"The 18 members of the Duke University volleyball team are exceptionally strong women who represent themselves, their families, and Duke University with the utmost integrity. We unequivocally stand with and champion them, especially when their character is called into question. Duke Athletics believes in respect, equality and inclusiveness, and we do not tolerate hate and bias." - Duke University Vice President & Director of Athletics Nina King

What does it have to do with politics? How is giving her a benefit of doubt a political position? Listen to yourself? Your "us vs them" mentality is controlling your mind, where everyone who is not getting all emotional against this player is somehow being partisan. It has literally nothing to do with politics. I have repeatedly said I do no know if she lied or not, but accept the possibility that she is telling the truth. The difference here is that thing thing took you on an emotional roller coater, while I am on solid ground.

Can you point me where I said that? If you are going to accuse her, you need to prove your case, but as of now its possible she did not.

 

What other option do they have? And this is in no way saying they believe her.

You are proving my point for me. Not a single teammate is backing her up and saying they heard it. They are in no way saying they believe her and they are in no way saying they also heard the racist insults.

This is probably the most overwhelming fact that proves she's lying. Not even her teammates will back her story up.

You are ignoring every single fact at hand that overwhelmingly suggests she's lying and you are saying that you're the one on solid ground?

So yes, you are letting politics drive you. I'm looking at the facts and the facts alone and they are clear.

According to the standards of proof you're applying in this scenario, nobody would ever be convicted of anything. Every single piece of DNA evidence could be planted so it's all useless in a court of law. That could've been someone else on the video so video is now useless in court.

At some point in time you have to look at the facts and see that something is clear and this is one of those cases. The facts are clear here. So why are you ignoring them if not for politics?

Just look at this scenario objectively. We have a single individual making a claim in a situation in which there are hundreds of eye-witnesses. Not a single one of them backs her story up despite the fact they were all there and you are saying it's possible she's the one telling the truth and the hundreds of others are essentially the liars.

Even with all that if you still want to leave open that it's possible that she's the one telling the truth, ok fine. However, you haven't even, unless I missed it, said that it's likely she lied.

You're claiming it's possible she's telling the truth which would mean she can't face consequences. You didn't explicitly say it but it's clear. Unless you want to come out and say you'd be fine with her facing consequences?

I've wasted far too much time arguing with someone blinded by politics on one of the most obvious news stories I've ever seen. You're a lefty (you may claim otherwise but you are what you are) and that alone dictates what position you have to take in a story like this. You will not change so no use continuing.

 

They flat out said they are totally behind her. If they doubted her, they would say she made a mistake and apologize for it.

According to what, or who?

What politics? You keep shrieking about politics, and you can't explain yourself

Let me guess, - its the official Republican party stance to publicly accuse her of lying.

My view is to say "maybe she lied and maybe she didn't". I not sure which party view that represents, but since I am independent, I'll just say its my personal take on it.

I'll let you know if I need your help explaining my view.

Feel free to believe anything you want. Me, I just don't have any reason to get all amotional up about something like this

 

Biased as in how? The police also claimed there was a lack of evidence. As did the BYU investigation. 2 groups saying there was no proof is not by definition biased

 

Your post is false. The volleyball player is a liar, just like Jussie Smollett. Duke fell for it and made fools of themselves, as did much of the media (to be fair, BYU fell for it a bit too at first). You've been duped and lied to by your own side, and now you're perpetuating that misinformation.

 

That's because you're being willfully blind to it. Nobody can find a single shred of corroborating evidence: no witness, there's no video or audio of anyone yelling a racist slur at the game, Duke's own staff and other players didn't hear it, it seems that nobody in the audience heard it. It was a hoax.

 

She made it up, just like Jussie Smollett and the liar that falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team. Glad I could clear that up for you.

 

so you think she is guilty of making a false report?

you can list off cases of false reports, both of which I agree with btw, but doesn't prove this case

same as I could list off cases of actual people doing what she claimed, and it would not prove her case

 

It does not sound like she made any "report". She mentioned it to her coaching staff, and they escalated it.

 

They have the ability to zoom in on the accused man all day long with those cameras. Even the ones that may no be showing him to us there is one on him they can look over. They reviewed the videos and found nothing to substantiate Her claim. I will go off of evidence, you choose emotion.

so why are you so emotional about this situation?

 

They would have to zoom into every individual in the stands and do it throughout the day. Besides, how would a camera zooming in catch what he was saying?

You are going with lack of evidence, and I am saying "maybe she lied and maybe she didn't". I didn't open this thread shrieking about her, - you did. Somehow this incident out you on an emotional roller-coaster.

BTW, when I mentioned that you are emotional about this and you respond by "NO, YOU ARE"..........that's how 8 yr olds argue.

 

They cleared the person accused of doing this by watching video. They didn’t have to zoom into every person. The accusers pointed out the individual that was banned then later apologized to for the false accusation. They didn’t have to zoom into every person, just the one they accused.

obviously the real video will have better quality than the uploaded quality to YouTube. They can do it and they did with enough clarity that the police admitted a lack of evidence, BYU reversed their suspension, and the governor publicly apologized for his comments.

 

Based on the articles the accusers have not apologized, - they are standing by their player. The other school, - the school on the side of the alleged heckler apologized to the heckler after 'investigating' themselves in order to clear their own name.