No doomsday bunker, not a single gun – if the US really is heading for civil war, I’m stuffed

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...us-really-is-heading-for-civil-war-im-stuffed

Civil war is inevitable in the US. The collapse of the EU and wars between EU members are also inevitable.
And Western politicians are very well aware of this.
Therefore, they are trying by all means to unleash a world war. To distract the population from internal problems and transfer the hatred of its population to an external enemy.
And that's why Western politicians yell about supposedly "evil" Russia.
Russians are blamed for all the troubles of their population.
Expensive gas? - It's the Russians' fault. Big electricity bills? - The Russians are to blame. Are food and petrol getting more expensive? - The Russians are to blame.
But who imposed sanctions against Russia?
Who expanded NATO despite the agreements?
Who ruined the real sector of economy? Who, instead of the real economy, created the economy of dog hairdressers, waiters and Facebook?
Who did it? Putin?
Or look at the USA. A country where aggressive idiots have usurped power, (are carrying out repressions against the supporters of the former president, and even the former president is subjected to repressions,) is trying to talk about democracy.
However, if you look at the origin of this Greek word, you will obviously see that in fact democracy means the rule of slave owners. Because when solving national issues, slave owners had a decisive right. And it was the slave owners who coined the term "democracy." Because they considered only themselves a people, and all the rest - cattle and slaves.
But a slave uprising is inevitable.

 

No doomsday bunker, not a single gun – if the US really is heading for civil war, I’m stuffed

You are not stuffed. Deep political divide? Sure. Civil war? No.

 

No, but one thing that is imminent is rashka's collapse. You've got a tiny, shrinking economy with a woefully inadequate industrial base leaving you too reliant on imports that are increasingly unavailable now under sanctions, you're faced with shrinking opportunities to sell your oil and gas and a looming price cap on those, and your dear dictator is a proven failure who has gotten tens of thousands of young orcs killed when your shrinking country really can't afford such losses.

Your economy and society are collapsing. China will waltz in and take any size bite it wants out of your eastern flank. No one will weep for you and no one will come to your aid.

 

We'll see.

 

Winter Is Coming.

 

I think civil war will end up happening in Russia. The people have no expression of freedom being they are pounced upon by the Kremlin for any differing opinions. But, I know there is a great resentment by many people over there being run over by a ruthless nazi dictator in Putin. I am willing to bet that his failure and exposure of lies involving Ukraine will lead to full on civil war.

 

Might want to start on learning Mandarin.

 

You'll be fully driven out of the Donbas by then

 

You don't understand Russia. If you think that with Putin's departure a person will come who will accept "Western values", then you are greatly mistaken.
The next leader of Russia in relation to the West will be much more severe than Putin.
Then you will remember Putin with love.

 

Have you already learned Arabic?

 

We'll see.

 

It won't matter once they fall far enough if it is Putin or his replacement. The end result most likely will be the same.

Yet, Putin will be remembered as a bloodthirsty butcher of innocent Ukrainians and also a ruthless dictator who enslaved many Russians. Putin is the leader of the Russian Nazi's and I have a feeling that his time is coming to an end.

 

Vlad's version?

 

You must understand - Ukraine is an intermediate stage. The Russians in Ukraine, according to estimates by WESTERN military experts, have deployed less than 10% of their military potential.
In addition, the Russians, thanks to the sanctions, are running a huge trade surplus.
And do you still believe Western idiot politicians who say that Russia will fall?

 

I haven't read anything by any western politicians. I am making my assumptions based off of my research. There are many unhappy Russians who are being suppressed by a ruthless and most brutal dictator. His "volunteer" army has no clue what they are doing and flea at the first sign of danger. Who gives a crap about his "surplus" now as that can evaporate quickly over the next 2 or 3 years. Every single thing you promote via Russian Nazi propaganda just like the German Nazi's did in the 1930's won't fool the entire world while eventually all these supposedly great things you mention about the Russian Nazi government can soon fall apart over the next few years.

Like I have told you numerous times, Sanctions take years, not days. Just wait and see how great the Russian Nazi government survives in the long term before declaring victory.

In addition, if Russia truly deployed 10% of their military potential, I can only imagine how bad the other 90% is being they are so inept in their current state from what we have witnessed.

 

I don't think it will take years to see the result of the sanctions. I think that this winter a lot will become clear. Of course I'm talking about Europe.
By the way, your picture illustrates European politicians very well.

For example. France is not so dependent on energy supplies from Russia, but what we see - At the Defense Council under the President of France, dedicated to ... energy, the Prime Minister demanded that citizens show civic responsibility in saving resources that suddenly became scarce, and members governments proposed to establish a "temperature police".
The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, also hastened to please the residents of the capital: in winter, the temperature in the offices will not exceed 18 degrees, and the Parisians will warm themselves at home at plus 19. Well, the illumination of Parisian monuments after 22 pm will also sink into oblivion. In a word, welcome to dark and cold Paris!
This week, the director of the French Center for the Study of Intelligence Activities, Eric Denese, spoke with his vision of the situation in Ukraine in several French media at once.
According to Denese (hereinafter the main theses of his speeches):
At the moment, Russia has a small army in Ukraine, and with such a military strength it is difficult to hold a significant territory.
We all talk about the Ukrainian offensive, but we must understand that this was a NATO operation against Russia, it was planned, prepared and implemented with the help of NATO. In it, the NATO military, either acting as a mercenary or as members of the Ukrainian forces, played a very important role.
Russia's response was not long in coming. With one blow, the Russians managed to plunge most of Ukraine into darkness. And this reaction is evidence that the confrontation is reaching a new level, it is a powerful and very formidable signal not even to Ukraine, but to the West.
"The military defeat of Russia at this stage is even impossible to imagine. The Russian response also indicates that they have not yet used the main means at their disposal in order to break the enemy's resistance. And by striking at power plants, the Russian General Staff gave understand that they will not back down.No, the Russians will not back down.Ukraine and the West are completely mistaken if they think they will force Russia to back down.
Ukraine is a failed state. Let's not forget that its GDP in 2021 was less than that of Ukraine within the USSR. But in six months, the West has given her 84 billion dollars, and this aid from the West is pushing her to continue fighting.
The war is not over and I don't doubt for a second that the Russians will not give in to Western pressure."

 

All war long all we heard from you and the rest of the Putin worshippers here is how great Russian Nazi's army was and how they were going to mop up the Ukrainian resistance. We endured this up until 2 weeks ago when the tide started turning. Now, all of a sudden the Putin apologists shift to their next tactic which is the energy crisis. I have a feeling that Europe will surprise you with alternatives.

And, for all the Russian Nazi's firepower and arsenal Russian propagandists on this board reap praise on as being only 10% of its total arsenal, why did Russia have to pull all their weapons out of Syria to use in Ukraine due to running out of firepower? I think the Russian lovers here have bought into the rhetoric the Russian Nazi Propaganda machine has force fed to their believers. Given enough time, we will see the end result. This won't happen in days or months, but over years as empires don't crumble overnight and Putin may have played the wrong hand with this invasion crippling his legacy.

 

Its true civil war and breakups of unions seem to be likely on the horizon. Its also true that the globalist elite would love a world war (any war suits their fancy, the bigger the better). Its also true that Russia in particular has been targetted as one of the primary enemies by the globalist elite, as it represents the most militarily-powerful, resource-rich and politically autonomous resistance to the global technocracy the elites want to build.

...but its also true that Russia attacked Ukraine, precisely as the global elites so obviously goaded it into doing, and in so doing gave the globalist elites exactly the enemy they need to justify their global government.

 

Are you wander in one's mind? Russia is doing a great job in Syria. And arms supplies go to Syria, but not vice versa.
As for Ukraine....
Take a look at what is happening. - The Ukrainian "offensive" advanced only in one place. At the same time, the offensive advanced along, relatively speaking, the "gut". That is, where the Russians allowed them to go.
We are looking at the result of the advancement of Ukrainians along the "gut".
1. The territory is small in terms of the scale of the military operation - 400 km. sq. It's about nothing at all. (probably the area of Trump's households is much larger) For tactical purposes, this happens all the time in the war.
2. There is simply no point in defending this territory. The Russian president must protect the Russian heroes. Of course, it is a pity for those who will be terrorized by the Ukronazis in abandoned territories. But this is war and the front line is changing.
3. The losses of the Ukrainians are colossal in general and on this sector of the front in particular. Therefore, exactly what the Russian president spoke about is happening - demilitarization. The Russians methodically grind them manpower and equipment day by day. The Russians do not need them territories at this stage. The Russians need to physically destroy them army, which is happening.

 

I'm sorry that I can only like you once. I'm ready to give you a thousand likes.
Your conclusion is perfect. Bravo!!!

 

I have seen snow in Paris maybe once in about 15 years living in and out in ille du france.
I come from eastern Europe, we have cold russian winds called Crivăț, in the winter, it blows at speeds of up to 110–130 km/h, 70-80 mph, creating blizzard conditions. This is winter, that you and I know, and Paris doesnt have the climate.

France will reduce its energy consumption by 10% because that is being talked about by the EU as a compromise. My home country is energy independent, gas included, (few in the EU are), but still needs to cut 10%. Its a move of solidarity, the whole of the EU is in together.
This was mostly a token towards Germany because they are in deep ****. Not all EU countries are in trouble this coming winter.

Just as the Russians cant imagine military defeat, the EU nations can't imagine going back to a USSR-style union.
If you wanna rebuild your empire, you will have war.

 

yep, Europe may have some hard times in the short term, but they will learn from this and practice energy diversity in the future

 

I believe that this regime will fall and be replaced by the wealthy oligarchs that drive the Russian economy. Money talks and bullshit walks, money will win this shuffle.

 

....what will be your definition of "Russia" at that point; do you assume it to be the same as now?

 

I am sure that no one in Russia thought that it was possible to restore influence, as it was with the USSR, without a war.
And the war is already on. I hope you understand that today Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but with the collective West.
(supplies of weapons, intelligence, instructors, mercenaries, uniforms and funding - all these are Western countries)
And I am sure that the Russians will win this war.
Let me explain why this will happen. Everyone with a brain understood that war was inevitable. And this is not due to myths about dictatorship, deceit, or some other nonsense that is being promoted by the media. It has to do with the economy. Both in the USA and in the EU, financial bubbles are incredibly inflated, but sooner or later they will burst. And as it has always been in the history of mankind, such crisis phenomena end in world wars.
But...
1. The Russians perfectly chose the moment to start the hot phase (differences in the EU, the US on the brink of civil war ... etc.)
2. The EU and USA economy and its expression in GDP is a fiction. It is clear that the economics of waiters, dog groomers and twitter will not survive a real collision with the economics of manufacturing.
3. Sanctions against Russia in Russian cause only laughter. Sanctions against Russia did not harm Russia at all. The EU and the US probably imagined themselves to be gods, but in reality turned out to be pitiful dwarfs.
.... and so on.
As for gas supplies and the upcoming winter, the question is not even whether the inhabitants of the EU countries will be able to heat their premises, the question is to stop the industry. Already, 70% of EU fertilizer plants are shut down, 25% of aluminum producers are shut down, the chemical industry is on the brink of collapse...etc. And this means an increase in unemployment, a fall in the standard of living of the population, riots and clashes .... which will lead to a change in the governments of the EU countries and the collapse of the EU itself. These are obvious conclusions.
Further. Suppose the EU countries have found alternative gas supplies (liquefied gas), which covers the needs. Let's say it happened tomorrow. So what? The cost of goods will rise sharply (for example, in the production of aluminum, 70% of the cost is the cost of gas, and fertilizers are almost 90% of the cost of gas), which means a loss of competitiveness, because of the multiply expensive liquefied gas (the cheapest gas in the world for the EU is Russian gas. There is no cheaper)
Especially given the fact that the producers of everything (Russia and China) will enjoy clear advantages.
In general, there are only two options for the development of events or the total destruction of the planet in a nuclear apocalypse or taking into account the interests of Russia, when Russia fully regains its influence, as it was under the USSR of Comrade Stalin.