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New York AG Sues Trump Family for Financial Fraud

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Egoboy, Sep 21, 2022.

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Bowerbird, Sep 22, 2022
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    Value of land is subjective is my point. Hotels can be even more so. This is such a shot in the dark and she knows it. That’s exactly why she’s not brining criminal charges.
     
    Joe knows, Sep 22, 2022
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    The state hasnt been defrauded.

    More likely they ignore you because they have no idea what you are talking about.
     
    dixon76710, Sep 22, 2022
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  4. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure, but if EXPERTS give you a number, you are rolling the dice if you go much over that using bullshit like "brand premium".

    And it's REALLY hard to justify tripling the SIZE of your properties...

    Somebody rolled double sixes...
     
    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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  5. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    I argue differently. Value is in the eye of the beholder. If he got loans on it the bank obviously believed those estimates.
     
    Joe knows, Sep 22, 2022
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  6. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Interesting... they didn't indicate which "mafia" he was connected to... There's certainly been a Russian mafia around for decades, although we don't know when T**** hooked up with them....
     
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    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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  7. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yep, truly shocking that the premier Russian money laundering bank in the world would accept his numbers....

    "Value is in the eye of the beholder"? The phrase is "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but you keep on believing your boy is squeaky clean.. Let us know how it goes when you walk into a car dealership and offer $3K for a new Lexus because that's all you value it at.

    :roflol::roflol:
     
    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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  8. CornPop

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    You're disproving your argument, as usual. The lender does their own appraisal. You don't get a loan on a property without the lender drawing up their offer. If they give you a loan based on the subjective value that is on them and is not illegal.

    Property values fluctuate and are subjective. That's why banks do appraisals. It's their responsibility to determine the value, risk, and interest rate. There's a reason she isn't bringing criminal charges. If Trump lied to his lenders there would be more than civil allegations.
     
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    CornPop, Sep 22, 2022
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  9. Collateral Damage

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    Stop that! Facts are very inconvenient for some.
     
    Collateral Damage, Sep 22, 2022
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  10. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Delete
     
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    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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    Mid to late 80's, most likely...
     
    Phyxius, Sep 22, 2022
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  12. yardmeat

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    The suit argues otherwise.



    If that's really what they thought, they'd take me up on it.
     
    yardmeat, Sep 22, 2022
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    IOW, could not find a crime. ;-)
     
    Ddyad, Sep 22, 2022
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    She can't. She did refer him though


    "James cannot bring criminal charges against Trump in this investigation because her probe was a civil one, not a criminal one. But James said she was referring allegations of criminal fraud to federal prosecutors in Manhattan as well as the Internal Revenue Service for investigation."

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/what-new-yorks-lawsuit-means-trump-his-family-company-2022-09-21/
     
    JonK22, Sep 22, 2022
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    JonK22, Sep 22, 2022
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    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely!
    She had to come up with something to justify her vindictiveness for going after the Trump family to begin with.

    Even former AG of the DOJ, Bill Barr gets it.

    New York AG Trump lawsuit a 'political hit job' driven by left's desire to 'punish' him: Bill Barr | Fox News
     
    Trixare4kids, Sep 22, 2022
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  17. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm convinced T**** could fear this case more than a criminal case... This case will cost him money and completely stomp whatever historical prestige he still thinks he has....

    I love that both Civil and Criminal charges can be used against America's longest term grifter....
     
    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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    yardmeat, Sep 22, 2022
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    THIS GUY?

    Court orders release of DOJ memo on Trump obstruction in Mueller probe

    The unanimous panel decision issued Friday echoes that of a lower court judge, Amy Berman Jackson, who last year accused the Justice Department of dishonesty in its justifications for keeping the memo hidden.


    The panel of three judges, led by Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan, said that whether or not there was “bad faith,” the government “created a misimpression” and could not stop release under the Freedom of Information Act.

    The memo was written by two senior Justice Department officials for then-attorney general William P. Barr, who subsequently told Congress that there was not enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s inquiry. A redacted version was released last year but left under seal the legal and factual analysis.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/19/barr-memo-court-mueller-release-russia/

    NO PAYWALL
    https://archive.ph/tHeSm

    Judge slams Barr, orders review of Mueller report deletions
    The brutal opinion concludes that the attorney general skewed perceptions of the Trump-Russia review.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/judge-slams-bill-barr-122449
     
    JonK22, Sep 22, 2022
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    I'll not quote the dictionary of the word allegations, since another poster thinks it's juvenile to do. But, may I suggest you look it up.

    It specifically says accusations typically without proof.

    IF nothing James claimed is supportable, then the filing of a lawsuit means she really has nothing. The things claimed are far from SOP for any of the actions she claims were done. Financial institutions do their own appraisals, insurance companies do their own appraisals, and then the insurance underwriters determine the premiums. While valuations are somewhat flexible, the insurance company and the insured would have to agree on the valuation in order for the policy to be issued.
     
    Collateral Damage, Sep 22, 2022
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  21. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Much like the stolen documents case, we'll get 2 versions of explanations... T**** on TV or Twitter-Lite dribbling out of his ass, and his legal filings which cannot back up his lies...

    I recommend people only pay attention to the latter.....
     
    Egoboy, Sep 22, 2022
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  22. Trixare4kids

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    So? It doesn't negate what Bill Barr said about the vindictive political motivation behind the civil lawsuit.
     
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    Trixare4kids, Sep 22, 2022
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    Yeah, that guy.
    I know you're doing your darnedest to discredit Wm. Barr but he wasn't wrong in his assessment of why a civil suit was brought forward against the Trump family.
     
    Trixare4kids, Sep 22, 2022
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    There's nothing to "negate." All he did was bloviate and offer a subjective opinion. Trump's kids are PART of the criminally indicted organization. They are the ones who RUN the damn thing. And it isn't like their hands are clean (see the investors Ivanka and Don Junior defrauding their SoHo investors).
     
    yardmeat, Sep 22, 2022
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  25. zalekbloom

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    I don’t understand – can someone explain it?

    It is a civil suit – it means Trump did not break any criminal laws.
    Trump is accused of fraud – but who is defrauded? Who lost? Is defrauded entity complaining?
    If Trump “fraudulently inflated” the value of his real estate, it is between Trump and banks who gave him loans, diligence is bank duty, not AG.
    If Trump had inflated the price of his forested estate to dodge taxes—an arrangement that involved wildly inflating the value of undeveloped land before setting it aside as a conservation site and taking a tax write-off – it is a failure of government officials who accepted this wildly inflating the value of undeveloped land.

    I would love to see Trump in jail, but this civil suit does not make any sense to me.
     
    zalekbloom, Sep 22, 2022
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